Who are more moral? Men or women?

Greatest I am · #1 by **Greatest I am** » Jan 31, 2012 5:17 pm

Who are more moral? Men or women?

I am not an atheist but am a man who, thanks to apotheosis, believes himself to have high morals. Perhaps even superior to women.
I will take the Jewish view of Eden as man’s elevation as opposed to the Christian view that Eden was man’s fall. I do this because the Jewish view was the initial view of their scriptures. I give their view more authority than I do to Christianity. That Jewish view was later reversed by Christianity. Why Christianity did this is not clear.

http://www.mrrena.com/misc/judaism2.php

For this mental exercise, I say women are more moral than men. I take this view because teaching a topic is the best way to learn it, and that most of the child rearing/teaching in that day was done by women. Women then, teaching children their first morals, would also teach themselves morals faster than what men would.

I do not read scriptures literally but will use the literal view and my logic trail and progression through Eden as if I do.

Eve was first to eat of the tree of knowledge, and as scriptures states, became as God. That is, she developed the same moral sense as God. She then recognized that instead of leaving Adam to follow God’s instruction to not eat, she chose, with her new wisdom, to have Adam also eat of the tree of knowledge. Thus both were elevated to having a moral sense.

Is the Jewish view the correct one?

Who should lead mankind in religious and political thinking?

Who are more moral? Men or women?

Regards
DL

HughMcB · #2 by **HughMcB** » Jan 31, 2012 5:35 pm

Regina · #3 by **Regina** » Jan 31, 2012 5:40 pm

GIA:

I am not an atheist but am a man who, thanks to apotheosis, believes himself to have high morals. Perhaps even superior to women.

This made my day.
I'm indebted to you! I really am.
Keep it coming! :cheers:

BlackBart · #4 by **BlackBart** » Jan 31, 2012 5:44 pm

This is going to be a corker. :popcorn:

Animavore · #5 by **Animavore** » Jan 31, 2012 5:46 pm

Women are evil. Their morals are warped. We men would be much better off if we grew out of the ground. No mother to annoy and pick at us. No wives to drive us into an early grave. No daughters to have us sick with worry. No fighting for mating rights. Just a bunch of happy men having a jolly old time, rough-housing and sporting.

CdesignProponentsist · #6 by **CdesignProponentsist** » Jan 31, 2012 5:58 pm

First off, any religious notions of morality are artificial and should be disregarded on their own merits. That being said, the only way you could conceivably measure ones level of morality is by how one adheres to their own sense of morality. Do you ignore or deny your own sense of right or wrong or do you stick to it steadfastly?

I don't know if there has ever been a study on whether, on average, men or women are better at sticking to their morals. It would be interesting to find out.

Animavore · #7 by **Animavore** » Jan 31, 2012 6:00 pm

I'm just wondering how we decide who is more moral.

CdesignProponentsist · #8 by **CdesignProponentsist** » Jan 31, 2012 6:06 pm

Animavore wrote:I'm just wondering how we decide who is more moral.

As I mentioned. You gauge one's own morals, then determine how well one uses them to guide their decisions. An amoral person knows some action is wrong but will do it anyway for their own gain. A moral person will avoid what they believe to be wrong, even if it doesn't benefit them to do so.

Morality is subjective, but how well one follows their own subjective idea of morality is how qualitatively moral they are.

willhud9 · #9 by **willhud9** » Jan 31, 2012 6:22 pm

surreptitious57 · **#10** by **surreptitious57** » Jan 31, 2012 6:25 pm

I am inclined to suggest that women
are more moral than men because of the
maternal instinct and the fact also that they
produce less testosterone than we do but let us
not sterotype half the entire world population here

The answer though is probably more likely to be found in
psychology rather than biology however. Now some individuals
irrespective of their gender are more hard wired to possessing positive
characteristics such as empathy and kindness while others are equally more
hard wired to possessing negative ones such as greed and jealousy. Now we all have
these attributes but some are more predominant in some than others however. And there
are also other contributing factors which amplify this such as environment and when you consider
all this it is tad simplistic to reference an entire section of society as being more moral than another based
exclusively on what they have between their legs - however, most women are probably more moral than most men

willhud9 · **#11** by **willhud9** » Jan 31, 2012 6:39 pm

Greatest I am wrote:Who are more moral? Men or women?

I am not an atheist but am a man who, thanks to apotheosis, believes himself to have high morals. Perhaps even superior to women.
I will take the Jewish view of Eden as man’s elevation as opposed to the Christian view that Eden was man’s fall. I do this because the Jewish view was the initial view of their scriptures. I give their view more authority than I do to Christianity. That Jewish view was later reversed by Christianity. Why Christianity did this is not clear.

http://www.mrrena.com/misc/judaism2.php

First of all, perhaps Zward can help me out. I don't KNOW ANY MAJOR Jewish denomination that says the occurrence of Adam and Eve was a fucking elevation. The link mentions Mankind has being the jewel of God's creation, but even Christianity believes that. Perhaps you can find where in that link where the author says Judaism held that Eden was man's elevation? Please?

For this mental exercise, I say women are more moral than men. I take this view because teaching a topic is the best way to learn it, and that most of the child rearing/teaching in that day was done by women. Women then, teaching children their first morals, would also teach themselves morals faster than what men would.

What in the world is this?

Yes, women taught the children. Why? Because men were off working to feed their fucking families. But working to feed families < teaching kids lessons and morality. This does nothing to show who is "more" moral as if you can judge that sort of thing. It just shows the roles of women and men back in the day. You have not shown how this makes women more moral. But we'll continue.

I do not read scriptures literally but will use the literal view and my logic trail and progression through Eden as if I do.

Okay, so you use something you say you don't believe in to make a point you do believe in. :crazy:

Eve was first to eat of the tree of knowledge, and as scriptures states, became as God. That is, she developed the same moral sense as God.

Fucking read the verse again. "In fact, God knows that when you eat it your eyes will be opened and you will be like God, knowing good and evil." Genesis 3:5. The fucking Serpent is telling Eve this, now find me a fucking Jewish scholar who holds that the Serpent was a well-spring of wisdom and a better moral figure than God and I'll eat my hat. The thing is you won't. The serpent DECEIVED EVE and in so doing also DECEIVED ADAM.

She then recognized that instead of leaving Adam to follow God’s instruction to not eat, she chose, with her new wisdom, to have Adam also eat of the tree of knowledge. Thus both were elevated to having a moral sense.

Eve simply turned to her husband. Care to provide evidence that she "realized with her new superhuman powers she should share this gift with Adam?" No both disobeyed God's one and only instruction and fucking failed. Reading into the texts to the degree you are doing is unsupported by ANYTHING aside from your own interpretation.

Is the Jewish view the correct one?

Except it's not the Jewish view. :roll:

Who should lead mankind in religious and political thinking?

..............................................................................what the fuck kind of question is this to have any relation to this thread?!

Who are more moral? Men or women?

Who are more moral blacks or whites? Who are more moral homosexuals or straights? Who are more moral Christians or Atheists? You see why this question is simply a worthless question to ask? There are SO MANY variables within the equation that it is simply impossible to make such a large generalization to determine and answer.

Steve · **#12** by **Steve** » Jan 31, 2012 6:53 pm

Obviously the most moral are those who are most humble. And men are vastly superior in this respect. And religious people even more. Just do a head count of carved bodies on pedestals, and contemplate who put them there. Religious men. Too easy.

Doubtdispelled · **#13** by **Doubtdispelled** » Jan 31, 2012 7:19 pm

Steve wrote:Obviously the most moral are those who are most humble. And men are vastly superior in this respect. And religious people even more. Just do a head count of carved bodies on pedestals, and contemplate who put them there. Religious men. Too easy.

Steve · **#14** by **Steve** » Jan 31, 2012 7:27 pm

Doubtdispelled wrote:
Steve wrote:Obviously the most moral are those who are most humble. And men are vastly superior in this respect. And religious people even more. Just do a head count of carved bodies on pedestals, and contemplate who put them there. Religious men. Too easy.

Typical woman - thinks this is a laughing matter. They have no idea how important this is.

Doubtdispelled · **#15** by **Doubtdispelled** » Jan 31, 2012 7:32 pm

Steve wrote:
Doubtdispelled wrote:
Steve wrote:Obviously the most moral are those who are most humble. And men are vastly superior in this respect. And religious people even more. Just do a head count of carved bodies on pedestals, and contemplate who put them there. Religious men. Too easy.

Typical woman - thinks this is a laughing matter. They have no idea how important this is.

Regina · **#16** by **Regina** » Jan 31, 2012 7:42 pm

Steve wrote:
Doubtdispelled wrote:
Steve wrote:Obviously the most moral are those who are most humble. And men are vastly superior in this respect. And religious people even more. Just do a head count of carved bodies on pedestals, and contemplate who put them there. Religious men. Too easy.

Typical woman - thinks this is a laughing matter. They have no idea how important this is.

I wonder, have you experienced apotheosis yourself, too? And how does it feel?

Animavore · **#17** by **Animavore** » Jan 31, 2012 7:47 pm

Regina wrote:
Steve wrote:
Doubtdispelled wrote:
Steve wrote:Obviously the most moral are those who are most humble. And men are vastly superior in this respect. And religious people even more. Just do a head count of carved bodies on pedestals, and contemplate who put them there. Religious men. Too easy.

Typical woman - thinks this is a laughing matter. They have no idea how important this is.

I wonder, have you experienced apotheosis yourself, too? And how does it feel?

I had that once. Pretty painful and it had to be taken out but if it bursts it can poison and kill you :shock:

Regina · **#18** by **Regina** » Jan 31, 2012 7:51 pm

This sounds suspiciously like breast implants. :what:

Steve · **#19** by **Steve** » Jan 31, 2012 7:55 pm

Regina wrote:
Steve wrote:
Doubtdispelled wrote:
Steve wrote:Obviously the most moral are those who are most humble. And men are vastly superior in this respect. And religious people even more. Just do a head count of carved bodies on pedestals, and contemplate who put them there. Religious men. Too easy.

Typical woman - thinks this is a laughing matter. They have no idea how important this is.

I wonder, have you experienced apotheosis yourself, too? And how does it feel?

No, even though I was born male my parents did not give me any religion. Being male I am able to join priesthoods and stuff, and those guys clearly excel at humbleness. That is why they get to stand in front of the congregation and explain everything - they have really risen to the top.

Greatest I am · **#20** by **Greatest I am** » Feb 01, 2012 3:21 am

CdesignProponentsist wrote:First off, any religious notions of morality are artificial and should be disregarded on their own merits. That being said, the only way you could conceivably measure ones level of morality is by how one adheres to their own sense of morality. Do you ignore or deny your own sense of right or wrong or do you stick to it steadfastly?

I don't know if there has ever been a study on whether, on average, men or women are better at sticking to their morals. It would be interesting to find out.

All the reports I scanned seem to point to women in the winners circle yet women do not seem to want to take the bow that to me, they have earned.

The survey you want might be right before our eye in the form of incarceration rates. What--95% male and 5% female.

Take a bow my dear.

Regards
DL