Why can't Christians just forgive and forget

Without fucking whining on and on and on and on and on and on

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Re: Why can't Christians just forgive and forget

#21  Postby Thommo » Apr 14, 2017 3:46 am

Dark energy wrote:
Is that a fact? Are you sure Muslims don't believe that God came up with the Koran, but left the actual writing to scribes shortly after Mohammed's death?


if mo was a writer,poet etc,people would easily dismiss his claims and say he was a learned person,but everybody knew he couldnt read and write,yet he came up with a complete book full of eloquence,rare style and full of signs.the only way he could do that was through revelations by god.


That's neither the belief of Muslims, nor non Muslims.

-Muslims believe that the Koran came from God and was written by scribes.
-Non Muslims believe that the Koran was written by scribes.

Since Mohammed didn't write, or originate the Koran according to Muslims what you say makes no sense.

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Oh, well, I guess child rape is fine then. And this has no implications at all for the eternal and infallible divine revelation of Allah as revealed in the Koran through his messenger Mohammed then.


you have to understand,1400 was a long time,people matured fast.9 year old at that time is equivalent to 18 years of modern age.


No. 9 was 9. Prepubescent was prepubescent. The physical facts of when men's and women's bodies and brains develop into maturity has not changed. Nor have the facts relating to women bleeding to death in child birth without medical intervention.

What you say here is as revolting as it is theologically illiterate.
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Re: Why can't Christians just forgive and forget

#22  Postby Dark energy » Apr 14, 2017 3:56 am

That's neither the belief of Muslims, nor non Muslims.

-Muslims believe that the Koran came from god and was written by scribes.
-Non Muslims believe that the Koran was written by scribes.

Since Mohammed didn't write, or originate the Koran according to Muslims what you say makes no sense.


why is that everything i write about has to do with a belief.that is my own opinion, if prophet MO was a great poet,writer and started reciting QURAN ,saying it is from god,people and majority of sane people will say,"no,no,you are just a great poet,a writer,you just have natural ability to say those things"but the fact is he was illiterate and people knew it,yet he come up with quran verses that were unique,the poetry style superseded those of learned people at that time.thus,he couldnt just made up stuff,it has to be from god.

yes ,i believe Quran was revealed to the prophet on a span of 23 years,it was only later after his death that it was compiled into a book.



well,lets agree to disagree.
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Re: Why can't Christians just forgive and forget

#23  Postby Thommo » Apr 14, 2017 3:59 am

We don't disagree, you're just wrong about what Muslims believe.

For some bizarre reason you've talked about reasons that might be given to explain Mohammed coming up with the Koran in the alternative universe where he actually wrote it and where he was highly educated.

This is as stupid as it is wildly off topic. It lacks relevancy even to your own derail.

PS: If you actually think that being illiterate would preclude coming up with verbal poetry, then that's fucking stupid too.
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Re: Why can't Christians just forgive and forget

#24  Postby Blackadder » Apr 14, 2017 9:41 am

Dark energy wrote:but the fact is he was illiterate and people knew it,yet he come up with quran verses that were unique,the poetry style superseded those of learned people at that time.thus,he couldnt just made up stuff,it has to be from god.


You really believe all that shit?

How the fuck did Mogammed build a reputation as a merchant working for his uncle if he could not read or write? How did he manage to run Khadijah's business if he could not read or write? Maybe start by thinking with your brain instead of with your arse and you might see why it is a preposterous claim.

There are several Hadith that mention the prophet writing, so there are clear contradictions in the muslim scriptures, as there are in all man-made scriptures that have been messed about over the centuries by various people trying to "improve" them.

Finally, the poetry style did not "supercede" anything. It is an utter fabrication to say that the style of prose in the Quran is superior to all other Arabic writings before or since. It may be unique, but that is because it is turgid, repetitive, in parts incoherent and shows clear signs of having been written by different authors.

The Islamic creed is a massive pile of cack. If you want to close your ears and eyes and mindlessly believe the rubbish you've been spoon-fed since birth, go ahead. But if you try to convince a skeptic that it stands up to rational scrutiny, you're in for a massive disappointment.
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Re: Why can't Christians just forgive and forget

#25  Postby Alan B » Apr 14, 2017 9:49 am

Over 23 years Mo invented 'sayings' that fitted what he observed at a particular time. Because he was a military leader and warlord, he had scribes write every thing down. The would-be clerics saw how the gullible lapped-up his words, so, not to miss an opportunity to control the gullible, put around the idea that 'goddidit' with all these sayings and compiled them into a book that was then called 'holy'.

So there we are. The birth of Islam was due to opportunistic psychopaths with a desire to control. Which I think can be said of most religions.
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#26  Postby Animavore » Apr 14, 2017 9:50 am

Why can't Christians just get Raptured?
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#27  Postby Alan B » Apr 14, 2017 1:10 pm

Then we can donate all the clothes they leave behind to the poor and needy.
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Re: Why can't Christians just forgive and forget

#28  Postby monkeyboy » Apr 14, 2017 1:12 pm

And their houses.
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Re: Why can't Christians just forgive and forget

#29  Postby tuco » Apr 14, 2017 2:29 pm

Makes me wonder if they indeed forgot (and forgave) what would half of the people here do? What would they do if they had no cause? Rhetorical.
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Re: Why can't Christians just forgive and forget

#30  Postby laklak » Apr 14, 2017 4:27 pm

I'd probably do exactly what I do now, - drink, and know things.
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