Will the Anglican Church split over homosexuality?

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Will the Anglican Church split over homosexuality?

#1  Postby Scot Dutchy » Jan 11, 2016 2:14 pm

Will the Anglican Church split over homosexuality?

Church leaders from six African countries threaten to walk out if 'godly order is not restored'
The Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby, is to meet with all 38 national Primates of the Anglican Church this week in a "last throw of the dice" to avoid a permanent split in the Church of England.
What is the disagreement?

The church faces a de facto split in the worldwide Anglican Communion over the issue of homosexuality and same-sex marriage, says The Guardian.

Church leaders from six African countries are expected to walk out of the talks if, in the words of Ugandan Archbishop Stanley Ntagali, "discipline and godly order is not restored".

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Re: Will the Anglican Church split over homosexuality?

#2  Postby Shrunk » Jan 11, 2016 2:22 pm

However, some have argued that the scriptures are unambiguous on the question of sexuality and questioned those who seek to offer an alternative interpretation of the holy texts.


They have a point, don't they? Once you start basing Church doctrine on the principles justice and compassion, rather than on interpretations of wishes and commands of God, the whole thing is bound to just collapse, isn't it?
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#3  Postby Blackadder » Jan 11, 2016 2:27 pm

Poor old C of E. Caught between Old Testament violent, homophobic, misogynistic, angry Jewish God and New Testament right-on, hippy, laid-back, peacenik Jesus God. No amount of theological gymnastics is going to reconcile that one for ever. It's make your mind up time, folks.
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Re: Will the Anglican Church split over homosexuality?

#4  Postby John Platko » Jan 11, 2016 5:37 pm

Shrunk wrote:
However, some have argued that the scriptures are unambiguous on the question of sexuality and questioned those who seek to offer an alternative interpretation of the holy texts.


They have a point, don't they? Once you start basing Church doctrine on the principles justice and compassion, rather than on interpretations of wishes and commands of God, the whole thing is bound to just collapse, isn't it?


No need for collapse, just a minor adjustment in the interpretations of the imagined wishes and commands of God. Easy peasy.

The part that all has me :banghead: is why they can't see that they are already cherry picking what OT commands they follow and which ones they don't. It's been ages since I've been to a good stoning.
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#5  Postby I'm With Stupid » Jan 11, 2016 5:46 pm

Shrunk wrote:
However, some have argued that the scriptures are unambiguous on the question of sexuality and questioned those who seek to offer an alternative interpretation of the holy texts.


They have a point, don't they? Once you start basing Church doctrine on the principles justice and compassion, rather than on interpretations of wishes and commands of God, the whole thing is bound to just collapse, isn't it?

It hasn't collapsed so far. What you've got in Africa are a bunch of bigots looking to emphasize certain aspects of the Old Testament to support their own bigotry. I wonder how many of them abstain from pork and shellfish, and how many would be threatening a split if that was the issue instead. But the Anglican church is always going to have a problem as long as it continues to try and stay relevant in the liberal developed world, while at the same time employing bigots in Africa to spread their message there.
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Re: Will the Anglican Church split over homosexuality?

#6  Postby Shrunk » Jan 11, 2016 5:52 pm

John Platko wrote:No need for collapse, just a minor adjustment in the interpretations of the imagined wishes and commands of God. Easy peasy.

The part that all has me :banghead: is why they can't see that they are already cherry picking what OT commands they follow and which ones they don't. It's been ages since I've been to a good stoning.


It's not scriptural literalism I was referring to, so much as the basic idea that there is a correct answer to all moral questions, and that answer is known to God. That answer may not be revealed thru scripture, but under this viewpoint it can be discerned thru some means and, once the correct answer is arrived at, it is thereafter immutable. The Catholic Church, for example, places its wagers on Natural Law.

If all God wanted of us was to feel empathy for homosexual people and to realize that denying their sexual freedom serves no purpose whatsoever, then it's hard to see what need we have for God or religion in the first place. The breakaway Anglicans, it seems to me, get this. They've just responded in a self-serving manner.
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#7  Postby ScholasticSpastic » Jan 11, 2016 5:54 pm

It's strange to me that there are Anglicans outside of Angland. ;)
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#8  Postby jaydot » Jan 11, 2016 6:32 pm

fuck 'em.
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#9  Postby rplatell » Jan 12, 2016 3:23 am

Ah, xtianity - another day, another schism. So much for love thy neighbour!
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Re: Will the Anglican Church split over homosexuality?

#10  Postby Will S » Jan 15, 2016 12:18 pm

If the Anglican Church were not a religious organisation, the answer would be 'yes -- obviously it will split'.

Suppose there was a sizeable faction within the RSPCA which thought that badger baiting was a jolly good idea; that it should never have been made illegal; and that it should be reintroduced. Isn't it obvious that the RSPCA would split forthwith? Different groups of members would hold divergent and irreconcilable views on a fundamental matter.

But, of course, religious organisations, and especially the Anglican church, have a remarkable talent for papering over the cracks, so what will happen on his occasion remains to be seen.
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Re: Will the Anglican Church split over homosexuality?

#11  Postby dejuror » Jan 16, 2016 2:32 am

This is a very fascinating subject.

Will the Anglican Church prove or demonstrate that their God is "homosexual" or condoned homosexual activity?

These are excerpts from the Christian Bible!!


Leviticus 20:11 And the man that lieth with his father's wife hath uncovered his father's nakedness: both of them shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

Leviticus 20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

Deuteronomy 27:21 Cursed be he that lieth with any manner of beast. And all the people shall say, Amen.

Is it now morally acceptable to be engaged in sexual activity with one's mother/mother-in-law?

Is it now morally acceptable to be engaged in sexual activity with animals?

Perhaps the Church will have to "harmonise" their Bible one more time so that it can be proven that their God was always engaged in or condoned homosexual activity.
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