Svartalf wrote:The Angles might come from southern Jutland (which to this day is shared between denmark and germany), but I know for a fact that they spoke a continental rather than Norse language.

Nevets wrote:Shouting LAGER LAGER LAGER LAGER LAGER LAGER LAGER shouting

Svartalf wrote:

campermon wrote:Evening all!

It appears that the bar is open

Yep, I'll have a pint of Guinness and and Islay malt chaser.

Svartalf wrote:You know nothing of linguistics. Continental Germanic languages (such as German or old Saxon) are VERY different animals than Norse Germanic languages (Danish, Swedish, Norwegian, Icelandic), I know, I studied both.

Old Norse was a North Germanic language https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Norse

Nevets wrote:

Thomas Eshuis wrote:False and your wiki quote, as usual, does not state that

If you look at the headline of the wikipedia article, where it is talking about the Norse Gaelic language, you will see it is talking about Norse language. Which part in Norse Gael do you not understand, as pertaining to Norse?

Nevets wrote:

Thomas Eshuis wrote:The quote above is specifically about Norse-Gaels.
There were Celts on the British Isles, centuries before the Norse-Gaels arrived and the Welsh language predates it as well.

Nonsense. There is great dispute with contemporary historiand regards to when the Welsh language was solidified. Some say around 575ad. Others as late as 9th Century

Linguist Kenneth H. Jackson has suggested that the evolution in syllabic structure and sound pattern was complete by around AD 550, and labelled the period between then and about AD 800 "Primitive Welsh".[25] This Primitive Welsh may have been spoken in both Wales and the Hen Ogledd ("Old North") – the Brittonic-speaking areas of what is now northern England and southern Scotland – and therefore may have been the ancestor of Cumbric as well as Welsh. Jackson, however, believed that the two varieties were already distinct by that time.[17] The earliest Welsh poetry – that attributed to the Cynfeirdd or "Early Poets" – is generally considered to date to the Primitive Welsh period. However, much of this poetry was supposedly composed in the Hen Ogledd, raising further questions about the dating of the material and language in which it was originally composed.[17] This discretion stems from the fact that Cumbric was widely believed to have been the language used in Hen Ogledd. An 8th-century inscription in Tywyn shows the language already dropping inflections in the declension of nouns.[26]

Janet Davies proposed that the origins of Welsh language were much less definite; in The Welsh Language: A History, she proposes that Welsh may have been around even earlier than 600 AD. This is evidenced by the dropping of final syllables from Brittonic: *bardos "poet" became bardd, and *abona "river" became afon.[23] Though both Davies and Jackson cite minor changes in syllable structure and sounds as evidence for the creation of Old Welsh, Davies suggests it may be more appropriate to refer to this derivative language as Lingua Britannica rather than characterising it as a new language altogether.

The Welsh language became distinct from other dialects of Old British sometime between AD 400 and 700; the earliest surviving literature in Welsh is poetry dating from this period.

Nevets wrote:

Thomas Eshuis wrote: 5. The Norse-Gaels you are talking about did not arrive in Scotland until the Viking age. Scotland was already populated by Picts and other tribes at that time. The arrival of Norse-Gaels has no bearing on the term Prydain. Nor is Scotland Cymru, which is where the term originates from.

But this is contradicted by the Gododdin. They were already making their way to Wales 600ad

Nevets wrote:

n around 600 the Gododdin raised a force of about 300 men to assault the Angle stronghold of Catraeth, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gododdin

Nevets wrote:

Thomas Eshuis wrote:Again the Gododdin weren't Norse or Norse-Gaels. They were Bretons. The Norse-Gaels did not arrive in the area until 200 years later

Old Norse dates back to 200ad

Nevets wrote:
Please explain, how then, if the Norse had not arrived in Din Eidyn (Gaelic for Edinburgh), between 5th and 7th century, how come the anglos had already given Edinburgh a Gaelic name by 500AD.

Nevets wrote:
The reason is, is because you keep falling for peoples changing their names.

Nevets wrote:
The Norman conquest was Danish

Nevets wrote:The Viking conquest was Norse, including Danish,

Nevets wrote:And the Anglo conquest, was also Danish.

Nevets wrote:
The anglo conquest happened right after the Roman Empire left Britain, and as you can see on the wikipedia map, Angles, were from Denmark

Nevets wrote:

The Angles (Old English: Ængle, Engle; Latin: Angli; German: Angeln) were one of the main Germanic peoples https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angles

Nevets wrote:
And the invasion began around 410ad

, following the end of Roman rule in Britain around the year 410. The settlement was followed by the establishment of Anglo-Saxon kingdoms https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-Sax ... of_Britain

The Germanics/Saxons, were just foot soldiers, to the anglos

How else do you think God Odin was walking around Britain 500ad?

Nevets wrote:

Svartalf wrote:You know nothing of linguistics. Continental Germanic languages (such as German or old Saxon) are VERY different animals than Norse Germanic languages (Danish, Swedish, Norwegian, Icelandic), I know, I studied both.

The disinfo and delusion continues.

Old norse, was "also" Germanic

Old Norse was a North Germanic language https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Norse

Nevets wrote:

Svartalf wrote:You obviously have no idea what you're talking about, the Angles and the Saxons were two germanic peoples who colonized Britain at the expense of the locan Romano Breton folk, but there was no hierarchy between them, and they eventually mingled and became known as anglo saxons... if anything, it's the Angles who became subsumed by the more numerous Saxons.

and Wotan never did walk in Britain... because, you know, the Angles and Saxons were continental Germans, not Norse, so they worshipped Wotan, not Odin.

Are you seriously saying, that this map here, which shows you were Anglo, and Saxon, was, is not in Denmark?

Are you "serious"?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angles#/m ... ements.svg

Nevets wrote:

Svartalf wrote:The Angles might come from southern Jutland (which to this day is shared between denmark and germany), but I know for a fact that they spoke a continental rather than Norse language.

They spoke a Germanic language.
The Germanic peoples referred to in the history books, are not quite from the same area as what would later be known as Germany

Nevets wrote:

Svartalf wrote:You know nothing of linguistics. Continental Germanic languages (such as German or old Saxon) are VERY different animals than Norse Germanic languages (Danish, Swedish, Norwegian, Icelandic), I know, I studied both.

The disinfo and delusion continues.

Old norse, was "also" Germanic

Old Norse was a North Germanic language https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Norse

Svartalf wrote:who that?

Thomas Eshuis wrote: ,

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Conspiracy

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angles#/media/File:Anglo-Saxon_Homelands_and_Settlements.svg

Nevets wrote:

Thomas Eshuis wrote: ,

Dear Thomas.

I removed the rest of your post.

<snip> more conflation errors and counterfactual assertions<snip>

Nevets wrote:
Now i am being kind.

Nevets wrote:
If you continue to argue, i am going to show you how the anglo-saxon invasions, also include, "direct", invasions from Norway, and not only denmark.

But il leave that for now

Thomas Eshuis wrote:
Since you've failed to provide evidence for just about any of your vacuous claims, I won't hold my breath.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angles#/media/File:Anglo-Saxon_Homelands_and_Settlements.svg