The Obligatory 9/11 Thread Part II

[Weaver]

So it's not OK to accept the NIST report because that is just AUTHORITY speaking, but you insist (for now) that an engineering school replicate the results, and we're supposed to believe that such an AUTHORITY will be acceptable?

Psikeyhackr, I don't think you'd believe the towers were collapsing if you were standing on the roof at the time.

[psikeyhackr]

So it's not OK to accept the NIST report because that is just AUTHORITY speaking, but you insist (for now) that an engineering school replicate the results, and we're supposed to believe that such an AUTHORITY will be acceptable?

Replicate what results?

What AUTHORITY does the NIST have? They produced a 10,000 page report that does not specify the total amount of concrete in the towers but does it for the steel in three places. Didn't the steel have to hold up the concrete? Didn't the designers have to figure out how much steel was necessary to hold the concrete? Didn't they have to figure out the weight of the concrete?

But in three places the NIST said they needed to know the distribution of weight to analyse the impacts of the aircraft. So why don't they determine the weight of steel and concrete on every level?

That authority is unacceptably dumb.

But there are more than 200 buildings around the world over 800 feet tall and the Empire State Building is 80 years old. What kind of electronic computers were used to design the ESB? 44 years after the Moon landing the events of 9/11 in New York are a scientific farce. People claiming to know physics who do not raise obvious questions are aiding the farce. But I suppose the alternative is to look really stupid after 12 years. If they know so much about physics why didn't they raise the right questions in a year? So now do they need to keep people ignorant and confused to keep from looking stupid themselves?

psik

[Weaver]

Psikeyhackr, you keep insisting that this had to be a crush-collapse, rather than a bypass collapse. Until you accept the simple reality that the vast majority of structural members were bypassed, not crushed, any further discussion with you is useless.

You've been told over and over and over, yet you refuse to accept reality. There's a name for that sort of behavior.

[the_5th_ape]

There's a name for that sort of behavior.

Its called Weavering

[Weaver]

REALLY? You're really going to go there?

Fine - present hard physical evidence of what YOU - not someone on youtube, not Galaxian or psikeyhackr - what YOU think happened to the WTC. If you assert it had anything to do with explosives, provide samples for testing.

You threw down the gauntlet - now put up or shut up. Hard evidence, testable evidence.

[the_5th_ape]

what YOU think happened to the WTC.

Plane crashed. WTC collapsed (like mud). Case Closed.

[Weaver]

And yet you accuse me of ignoring evidence with regards to the WTC?

[psikeyhackr]

There's a name for that sort of behavior.

Its called Weavering

[Weaver]

You are also invited to provide hard evidence which I've supposedly ignored.

Not claims that you have doubts, or that you want someone to tell you the TONS OF STEEL AND TONS OF CONCRETE in the WTC, but actual assertions of what YOU think happened, and the hard evidence to support it.

[psikeyhackr]

Psikeyhackr, you keep insisting that this had to be a crush-collapse, rather than a bypass collapse. Until you accept the simple reality that the vast majority of structural members were bypassed, not crushed, any further discussion with you is useless.

Then you concede that you should shut up.

Regardless of what kind of collapse it was, if it was a collapse, then physicists and structural engineers should have done whatever was necessary to PROVE IT by now. Otherwise it is just TALK. Like what you emit.

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psik

[Weaver]

No, I don't have to shut up - you are the one making the claim that the collapse is other than as reported and investigated - it's up to you to provide the evidence, and the details of how it (supposedly) really happened.

Christ on a fucking pogo stick, this shifting the responsibility is getting tiresome.

[psikeyhackr]

No, I don't have to shut up -

But you said:

any further discussion with you is useless.

You don't have to but you can spend all the time you want being useless. I suspect it comes naturally to you.

psik

[Agi Hammerthief]

Pisk would make a perfect baiter over at 419eater

hey Piskey, want a really good model?
Go there and get a nigerian lad to build a tower model for you.
Just grab a charity scam from the surplus letter sub forum and pretend you have a million $$$ to give away.

[Agi Hammerthief]

No, I don't have to shut up -

But you said:

any further discussion with you is useless.

You don't have to but you can spend all the time you want being useless. I suspect it comes naturally to you.

Calling the bullshit you post here just that is not being useless, just trying to do more than calling by it's name is

Calling the steaming pile the 5th ape left on the other page anything other than a staming pile of argument from ignorance & incredulity and lies is an utter waste of wear and tear on the keyboard.

If my work was more boring at the moment, I'd go searching for the place at RDF where someone else, pretty much to the word, sprouted the exact same crap; and had explained at them at great length WHY it is crap. But as it is, my spare time is just to precious to do more than snipe peanuts.

EDIT: spellink

[psikeyhackr]

No, I don't have to shut up -

But you said:

any further discussion with you is useless.

You don't have to but you can spend all the time you want being useless. I suspect it comes naturally to you.

Calling the bullshit you post here just that is not being useless, just trying to do more than calling by it's name is

So you show how smart you are by coming here and reading and responding to stuff you say is useless.

Very impressive!

psik

[Agi Hammerthief]

Very impressive.

I know! Right?!?!?

because all that really matters at my age...
is impressin people /sarcasm

[psikeyhackr]

To any lurkers lurking. This:

http://www.rationalskepticism.org/consp ... l#p1757102

is about this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZT4BXIpdIdo

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psik

[Weaver]

Ah, yes, the mythical lurkers, who somehow need to be reminded that your model is utterly inapplicable to the WTC collapse. Thanks for reminding them, psikeyhackr!

[Moridin]

Have the 9/11 truthers in this thread met the blowjob refutation yet?

Bill Clinton, perhaps the world's most powerful man at the time, could not keep an affair secret despite the fact that only two people knew.

But literally thousands of scientists, researchers, engineers, journalists and miscellaneous government employees had no problem hiding the alleged 9/11 conspiracy for 13 years without a single leak, despite massive incentives to do so?

I find it fascinating that so many 9/11 truthers fail to subject their beliefs to a basic plausibility check.

[psikeyhackr]

Have the 9/11 truthers in this thread met the blowjob refutation yet?

Bill Clinton, perhaps the world's most powerful man at the time, could not keep an affair secret despite the fact that only two people knew.

But literally thousands of scientists, researchers, engineers, journalists and miscellaneous government employees had no problem hiding the alleged 9/11 conspiracy for 13 years without a single leak, despite massive incentives to do so?

I find it fascinating that so many 9/11 truthers fail to subject their beliefs to a basic plausibility check.

13 years?

People who can count are SO IMPRESSIVE!