Creationists say dino skeleton debunks evolution

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Creationists say dino skeleton debunks evolution

#1  Postby kennyc » May 24, 2014 10:22 pm

Creationists say dino skeleton debunks evolution
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Researchers at the Creation Museum in Petersburg, Kentucky, believe a dinosaur skeleton could be the key to proving the evolutionary theory wrong.

Ebenezer the Allosaurus was unveiled Saturday.The museum says Ebenezer is one of the most well preserved Allosaurus skeletons ever discovered and says the way it was preserved proves recent rapid burial — like in a great flood. It was unearthed in Colorado. (Via WCPO)

"Ten feet high, 30 feet long. The Creation Museum is operated by the ministry Answers in Genesis, which maintains that dinosaurs lived alongside humans just few thousand years ago."(Via WKRC)
Answers in Genesis owns the museum. The museum's president and founder said, "For decades I've walked through many leading secular museums, like the Smithsonian in Washington, D.C., and have seen their impressive dinosaur skeletons. But they were used for evolution. Now we have one of that class, and it will help us defend the book of Genesis and expose the scientific problems with evolution."
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#2  Postby virphen » May 24, 2014 10:25 pm

"researchers" :rofl:.

They're so cute when they think they're doing science.
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#3  Postby Weaver » May 24, 2014 10:27 pm

So, they have a skeleton which MAY have been buried in A flood event - therefore, to them, it must have been a global flood and goddidit.

What weak thinkers they are.
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#4  Postby Onyx8 » May 24, 2014 10:30 pm

I was under the impression that's lots of fossils are found that were formed by animals being caught in local flood events.
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#5  Postby Calilasseia » May 24, 2014 10:41 pm

Except, of course, for the large number of fossils of organisms that were already dwelling in water at the time ...
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#6  Postby susu.exp » May 25, 2014 12:03 am

Onyx8 wrote:I was under the impression that's lots of fossils are found that were formed by animals being caught in local flood events.


Not really. Of over 25000 terrestrial collections in the PaleoDB, less than 500 are floodplain deposits (and there are about 75000 marine collections). Even that sounds more dramatic than it is - a lot of these represent low energy sedimentary environments, where silts and clays got deposited during seasonal floods, that did't lead to awfully deep water coverage.

I'm pretty sure Theropod can say something about the locality.
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#7  Postby Onyx8 » May 25, 2014 12:05 am

Thanks. Misconception corrected.
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#8  Postby theropod » May 25, 2014 12:07 am

I suppose "Sue" was deposited in the very same flood, and it took >90 million years to complete its work.

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#9  Postby CdesignProponentsist » May 25, 2014 12:15 am

That poor fucking dinosaur :picard:
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#11  Postby quisquose » May 25, 2014 7:42 am

Have they found a fossilised dinosaur with a saddle on it yet?
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#12  Postby bert » May 25, 2014 10:43 am

No they haven't. It didn't work that way as a saddle would rub against genitals and god couldn't have that. Before you know it, people figure out there is something nice about that. Let met tell you how it was done, showing in the process that riding a dinosaur was much more convenient than with a saddle anyway (besides, a leather saddle was perhaps impossible because death hadn't been invented?). Back then, the typical way to ride a dinosaur was to lease a triceratops (which typically would set the average Abe back 2 shekels per month; expensive, but the beast ran on biofuel so running expenses were low). You'd tighten a few bands between the frontmost horns, put a piece of carpet on top of that for your bottom, and you could lean back against the neck shield, enjoying your ride in Comfort. Riding with the wind through your hair you'd think you were in paradise, which these days requires an expensive convertible.

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#13  Postby lucek » May 25, 2014 9:13 pm

Calilasseia wrote:Except, of course, for the large number of fossils of organisms that were already dwelling in water at the time ...

Or animals berried in non aquatic environments like in the aftermath of mud slides or berried in pyroclastic flow.
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#14  Postby kennyc » May 25, 2014 9:15 pm

Or those berried in grape jam. :)
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#15  Postby Blackadder » May 25, 2014 9:59 pm

Given that there is more high level brain function going on in the average hamburger than in Ken Ham or any of his nut-job followers, I would treat anything they claim about evolutionary science with the same respect as I treat the stuff that comes out of the back-end of my cat.
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#16  Postby Oeditor » May 26, 2014 11:01 am

I think there's a touch of pot, kettle here. Ham says that most dinosaur fossils are "used for evolution". Whereas his is going to be used for creationism. He just doesn't get it.
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#17  Postby Calilasseia » May 26, 2014 1:29 pm

Oeditor wrote:I think there's a touch of pot, kettle here. Ham says that most dinosaur fossils are "used for evolution". Whereas his is going to be used for creationism. He just doesn't get it.


Actually, he does get it. He's just lying through his teeth when he claims that fossils are "used" to prop up a fantasy "evolutionist doctrine" that only exists in the minds of creationists. Because he and other creationists start with presuppositions about a magic man, he thinks that anyone not conforming to his doctrine starts with purported "rival presuppositions", one of the classic features of the aetiology of adherence to doctrine. The notion of basing one's ideas on the data is alien to people who think that the assertions of their pet doctrines somehow dictate to reality.
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#18  Postby lucek » May 26, 2014 5:52 pm

kennyc wrote:Or those berried in grape jam. :)

preposterous. The only major catastrophic preserve incursion was strawberry and was local to Australia.
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#20  Postby Oeditor » May 31, 2014 7:26 pm

bert wrote:Back then, the typical way to ride a dinosaur was to lease a triceratops (which typically would set the average Abe back 2 shekels per month; expensive, but the beast ran on biofuel so running expenses were low). You'd tighten a few bands between the frontmost horns, put a piece of carpet on top of that for your bottom, and you could lean back against the neck shield, enjoying your ride in Comfort. Riding with the wind through your hair you'd think you were in paradise, which these days requires an expensive convertible.

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Hmm, that might be all right if the wind were in the right direction Bert. But if it were blowing towards your steed you'd be in danger of having your hair burned off. Remember, dinosaurs were also dragons - of the fire-breathing variety - according to our creationist friends. I forget their preposterous explanation for such bad breath - was it something to do with gasping so quickly that "the air caught fire"?
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