Creationists vs Flat Earthers

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Creationists vs Flat Earthers

#1  Postby Durro » Apr 08, 2014 11:14 pm

I wonder, what do Creationists think about Flat Earthers ?

There are groups of people out there who fervently believe that the Earth is flat, rather than oblate spheroid as science tells us. They cite so-called evidence of a patently dubious nature and reject all scientific claims about the shape of the Earth. This is in direct contradiction to the fields of geology, physics, astrophysics and so on, and contradicts direct observation by imagery space born craft and/or humans (astronauts/cosmonauts).

Creationists, what do you think about them when you know that the Earth is round, and these people flatly reject the scientific findings ? Don't you find it weird how obstinate they are in the face of overwhelming scientific consensus and just common sense ?

What approach would you take to help educate these sorts of people ?

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Re: Creationists vs Flat Earthers

#2  Postby DougC » Apr 09, 2014 2:30 am

Wow.
Would love to sit on the sidelines as two of them went head to head.
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Re: Creationists vs Flat Earthers

#3  Postby Oeditor » Apr 09, 2014 1:49 pm

You mean some creationists aren't flat-earthers? OMG!
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Re: Creationists vs Flat Earthers

#4  Postby NineBerry » Apr 09, 2014 1:55 pm

Durro wrote:Iand these people flatly reject the scientific findings


I see what you did there!
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Re: Creationists vs Flat Earthers

#5  Postby hackenslash » Apr 09, 2014 2:08 pm

Maybe it is flat, in 7 or 8 dimensions, and only looks like an oblate spheroid because we can only perceive 3 dimensions...
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Re: Creationists vs Flat Earthers

#6  Postby DougC » Apr 09, 2014 2:10 pm

hackenslash wrote:Maybe it is flat, in 7 or 8 dimensions, and only looks like an oblate spheroid because we can only perceive 3 dimensions...

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Re: Creationists vs Flat Earthers

#7  Postby hackenslash » Apr 09, 2014 2:11 pm

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Re: Creationists vs Flat Earthers

#8  Postby Spearthrower » Apr 09, 2014 2:28 pm

Not sure about flat-earthers, but I know a fair percentage of Creationists are geocentrists.
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Re: Creationists vs Flat Earthers

#9  Postby Oeditor » Apr 09, 2014 7:39 pm

Spearthrower wrote:Not sure about flat-earthers, but I know a fair percentage of Creationists are geocentrists.
Any Big Names who've admitted it? It would be fun to know.
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Re: Creationists vs Flat Earthers

#10  Postby Alan C » Apr 09, 2014 8:30 pm

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Re: Creationists vs Flat Earthers

#11  Postby campermon » Apr 09, 2014 8:36 pm

DougC wrote:
hackenslash wrote:Maybe it is flat, in 7 or 8 dimensions, and only looks like an oblate spheroid because we can only perceive 3 dimensions...

Back pain meds kicking in, I see. :coffee:


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Re: Creationists vs Flat Earthers

#12  Postby Durro » Apr 10, 2014 8:09 am

Spearthrower wrote:Not sure about flat-earthers, but I know a fair percentage of Creationists are geocentrists.


Really ?

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Re: Creationists vs Flat Earthers

#13  Postby Scot Dutchy » Apr 10, 2014 8:49 am

I think somehow we will be waiting a long time before anyone from either camp accepts the challenge.

I will throw another "dimension" into the discussion?

What is the position of the earth in the universe for creationists and theists?
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Re: Creationists vs Flat Earthers

#14  Postby Goldenmane » Apr 10, 2014 11:50 am

Durro wrote:There are groups of people out there who fervently believe that the Earth is flat, rather than oblate spheroid as science tells us. They cite so-called evidence of a patently dubious nature and reject all scientific claims about the shape of the Earth. This is in direct contradiction to the fields of geology, physics, astrophysics and so on, and contradicts direct observation by imagery space born craft and/or humans (astronauts/cosmonauts).


Are there? My experience, minor as it is, indicates that the flat-earthers don't believe a word of it. It's a sort of logic/language game.

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#15  Postby Calilasseia » Apr 10, 2014 12:05 pm

Scot Dutchy wrote:I think somehow we will be waiting a long time before anyone from either camp accepts the challenge.

I will throw another "dimension" into the discussion?

What is the position of the earth in the universe for creationists and theists?


You might not be surprised to learn that Republican politicians in Georgia tried to have evolution removed from the curriculum, on the basis that it was a "religious idea". What did they cite in support of this assertion? A wackaloon website called "Fixed Earth". The authors of which assert that not only is Planet Earth the centre of the entire universe, but is stationary. I haven't provided a link because [1] I don't want these wingnuts checking their traffic logs and coming here, because they're fucking deranged, and [2] you won't have much trouble finding it via Google. However, if you choose to risk your brain cells by visiting this diseased website, I hereby issue a warning - it is retina searing in its choice of colours and document styles. Simply looking at some of the pages on that website, even without bothering to read the actual text. will make your eyes bleed.

One of the joys arising from that particular piece of Republican farce in Georgia, was a classic comment on the news website covering the affair:

So they want to remove evolution from the classroom, on the basis that it's a Jewish religious myth ... only to replace it with creationism, which is ... wait for it ... a Jewish religious myth.
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Re: Creationists vs Flat Earthers

#16  Postby hackenslash » Apr 10, 2014 12:26 pm

Just had a shufty at that website:

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Re: Creationists vs Flat Earthers

#17  Postby Scot Dutchy » Apr 10, 2014 2:14 pm

They don't have much taste in web-site building.
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Re: Creationists vs Flat Earthers

#18  Postby Agrippina » Apr 10, 2014 6:12 pm

My eyes hurt. Why don't these morons get some clever people to design their websites for them? I guess the answer is that would require someone with a knowledge of computers to read their rubbish, and they don't want that do they?
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#19  Postby Scot Dutchy » Apr 10, 2014 6:14 pm

Agrippina wrote:My eyes hurt. Why don't these morons get some clever people to design their websites for them? I guess the answer is that would require someone with a knowledge of computers to read their rubbish, and they don't want that do they?


Maybe that is the whole purpose. Make it so ugly no one will read it.
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Re: Creationists vs Flat Earthers

#20  Postby Spearthrower » Apr 10, 2014 7:55 pm

Durro wrote:
Spearthrower wrote:Not sure about flat-earthers, but I know a fair percentage of Creationists are geocentrists.


Really ?

:shock:


If you look at all the well-known Creationist propaganda outlets, they each have their own article on geocentricism - it's a common enough belief of Biblical literalists that they need to steer their flocks accordingly.

But perhaps my statement was a little incorrect: it might be more accurate to say that most flat-earthers have a fundamentalist belief in a particular religious narrative which generally also includes a fundamentalist belief in their version of Creation.

A quick scan through the pro-geocentrist videos on Youtube support this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNLgCNA2Pwc

Rambles on about nonsense, then invokes God.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EvwMc1jcR7Y

Heliocentricism is atheistic!?! :grin: Lots of scriptural support for his belief!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EMr8lb2tYvo

Mostly seems to be concerned with whether the Church has held the position, refuted the position, stopped teaching the position, whether Satan will do whatever it is they think he will do etc.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_GNUlF5lro

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And so on... there are lots of them! I don't find it particularly surprising as they all seem to have replaced their brains with Bibles.
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