Does the Earth spin/rotate about it's axis?

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Re: Does the Earth spin/rotate about it's axis?

#2581  Postby hackenslash » Mar 04, 2014 11:42 am

That's not the error. You know what the error is, because it's repeatedly been pointed out to you.
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Re: Does the Earth spin/rotate about it's axis?

#2582  Postby jamest » Mar 04, 2014 4:03 pm

hackenslash wrote:That's not the error. You know what the error is, because it's repeatedly been pointed out to you.

My apologies. I can't remember what you've previously said.
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Re: Does the Earth spin/rotate about it's axis?

#2583  Postby theropod » Mar 04, 2014 4:34 pm

jamest wrote:
hackenslash wrote:That's not the error. You know what the error is, because it's repeatedly been pointed out to you.

My apologies. I can't remember what you've previously said.


Bullshit. Hack's not the only one pointing out the same basic error you've made.

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Re: Does the Earth spin/rotate about it's axis?

#2584  Postby jamest » Mar 04, 2014 5:27 pm

theropod wrote:
jamest wrote:
hackenslash wrote:That's not the error. You know what the error is, because it's repeatedly been pointed out to you.

My apologies. I can't remember what you've previously said.


Bullshit. Hack's not the only one pointing out the same basic error you've made.

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Then what is this basic error, squire? I'm sure the members here would love to see you put me in my place.
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Re: Does the Earth spin/rotate about it's axis?

#2585  Postby hackenslash » Mar 04, 2014 6:12 pm

Go look at my post in your 'woo' thread, in which I lay it bare.
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Re: Does the Earth spin/rotate about it's axis?

#2586  Postby jamest » Mar 04, 2014 6:49 pm

hackenslash wrote:Go look at my post in your 'woo' thread, in which I lay it bare.

I see. Like I said, I'll respond later this evening.
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Re: Does the Earth spin/rotate about it's axis?

#2587  Postby hackenslash » Mar 04, 2014 6:55 pm

My breath is bated...
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Re: Does the Earth spin/rotate about it's axis?

#2588  Postby Goldenmane » Mar 04, 2014 7:22 pm

hackenslash wrote:My breath is bated...


Mine fucking isn't.

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Re: Does the Earth spin/rotate about it's axis?

#2589  Postby campermon » Mar 04, 2014 7:22 pm

jamest wrote:The observer is the centre of the observed universe.


To falsify that statement is a trivial affair.

So I won't.

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Re: Does the Earth spin/rotate about it's axis?

#2590  Postby hackenslash » Aug 27, 2014 6:47 am

For anybody who's interested, a reasonably informed geocentrist is defending on FB:

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid ... 640&type=1
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Re: Does the Earth spin/rotate about it's axis?

#2591  Postby Pulsar » Aug 27, 2014 8:59 am

hackenslash wrote:For anybody who's interested, a reasonably informed geocentrist is defending on FB:

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid ... 640&type=1

Ask him how he can explain stellar aberration (he can't).

From wiki:
The aberration of light (also referred to as astronomical aberration or stellar aberration) is an astronomical phenomenon which produces an apparent motion of celestial objects about their locations dependent on the velocity of the observer. Aberration causes objects to appear to be angled or tilted towards the direction of motion of the observer compared to when the observer is stationary. The change in angle is typically very small, on the order of v/c where c is the speed of light and v the velocity of the observer. In the case of "stellar" or "annual" aberration, the apparent position of a star to an observer on Earth varies periodically over the course of a year as the Earth's velocity changes as it revolves around the Sun, by a maximum angle of approximately 20 arcseconds in right ascension or declination.

The bolded bit is the crucial point: annual stellar aberration is an observer effect. It is caused by the change in velocity of the Earth as it orbits the Sun, and it cannot be explained if the Earth is stationary. Every star and galaxy in a particular direction has the same aberration, regardless of their distance or velocity, and over the course of a year they will all have the same maximum displacement of 20″.49552 .
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Re: Does the Earth spin/rotate about it's axis?

#2592  Postby hackenslash » Aug 27, 2014 9:31 am

I had already considered that, and I plan to do a mammoth debunking if the thread is still running when I have leisure. I also want to know how he explains geomagnetism with a static earth.

He keeps citing a paper by Thirring that I'm unfamiliar with, which he says states that frame-dragging is sufficient to explain the coriolis effect.
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Re: Does the Earth spin/rotate about it's axis?

#2593  Postby Goldenmane » Aug 27, 2014 9:51 am

We had one of those over at the Atheist Foundation of Australia forums not long ago.

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Re: Does the Earth spin/rotate about it's axis?

#2594  Postby Fenrir » Aug 27, 2014 10:00 am

I suspect the AFA one is a groupie, cut and paste of the same arguments. Rick deLano has been pushing this guff all over the net for years. Kinda surprised if he hasn't been here before.
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Re: Does the Earth spin/rotate about it's axis?

#2595  Postby Veida » Aug 27, 2014 10:11 am

How do they explain how the Earth is shaped and that g varies from poles to equator, if the Earth doesn't rotate?
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Re: Does the Earth spin/rotate about it's axis?

#2596  Postby Rumraket » Aug 27, 2014 10:22 am

Veida wrote:How do they explain how the Earth is shaped and that g varies from poles to equator, if the Earth doesn't rotate?

What we see is what the designer wanted.

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Re: Does the Earth spin/rotate about it's axis?

#2597  Postby Pulsar » Aug 27, 2014 10:23 am

hackenslash wrote:I had already considered that, and I plan to do a mammoth debunking if the thread is still running when I have leisure. I also want to know how he explains geomagnetism with a static earth.

He keeps citing a paper by Thirring that I'm unfamiliar with, which he says states that frame-dragging is sufficient to explain the coriolis effect.

Probably these papers:
http://www.itp.kit.edu/~ertl/Hauptseminar/papers/lense-thierring-papers-translated.pdf

There is still a debate about the relation between General Relativity and Mach's principle (see also the introduction in this paper).

Of course that doesn't matter, because the very essence of Mach's principle is that there is no preferred frame of reference, which is in contradiction with the claims of geocentrists, who want to give special status to the frame of the Earth.

ETA: see also the answers in this link: Is Mach's Principle Wrong?
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Re: Does the Earth spin/rotate about it's axis?

#2598  Postby Goldenmane » Aug 27, 2014 10:46 am

Fenrir wrote:I suspect the AFA one is a groupie, cut and paste of the same arguments. Rick deLano has been pushing this guff all over the net for years. Kinda surprised if he hasn't been here before.


Quite possible. He didn't really seem to understand quite why the points he was trying to make were... flawed, did he?
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Re: Does the Earth spin/rotate about it's axis?

#2599  Postby Veida » Aug 27, 2014 11:57 am

Rumraket wrote:
Veida wrote:How do they explain how the Earth is shaped and that g varies from poles to equator, if the Earth doesn't rotate?

What we see is what the designer wanted.

Boring.
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Re: Does the Earth spin/rotate about it's axis?

#2600  Postby tolman » Aug 27, 2014 12:26 pm

Veida wrote:
Rumraket wrote:
Veida wrote:How do they explain how the Earth is shaped and that g varies from poles to equator, if the Earth doesn't rotate?

What we see is what the designer wanted.

Boring.

Actually, somewhat interesting.

When it comes to religiously-inspired Christian geocentrists, as opposed to, for example, freelance fuckwits and delusionals, their argument is effectively that their deity has made a universe which by every rational measure isn't geocentric while in reality it is, purely in order to deceive people.

That is, they actually believe their deity is petty, scheming and dishonest.
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