tolman wrote:

Veida wrote:

Rumraket wrote:

Veida wrote:How do they explain how the Earth is shaped and that g varies from poles to equator, if the Earth doesn't rotate?

What we see is what the designer wanted.

Boring.

Actually, somewhat interesting.

When it comes to religiously-inspired Christian geocentrists, as opposed to, for example, freelance fuckwits and delusionals, their argument is effectively that their deity has made a universe which by every rational measure isn't geocentric while in reality it is, purely in order to deceive people.

That is, they actually believe their deity is petty, scheming and dishonest.
And made them in its own image.

tolman wrote:Actually, somewhat interesting.

When it comes to religiously-inspired Christian geocentrists, as opposed to, for example, freelance fuckwits and delusionals, their argument is effectively that their deity has made a universe which by every rational measure isn't geocentric while in reality it is, purely in order to deceive people.

tolman wrote:That is, they actually believe their deity is petty, scheming and dishonest.
And made them in its own image.

Veida wrote:

tolman wrote:Actually, somewhat interesting.

When it comes to religiously-inspired Christian geocentrists, as opposed to, for example, freelance fuckwits and delusionals, their argument is effectively that their deity has made a universe which by every rational measure isn't geocentric while in reality it is, purely in order to deceive people.

So it would in effect be lying?

tolman wrote:That is, they actually believe their deity is petty, scheming and dishonest.
And made them in its own image.

I seem to recall that there are some pronouncements in their wolly book that say that their deity cannot lie. Which would make that a rather strange position to hold.

Goldenmane wrote:

Veida wrote:

tolman wrote:Actually, somewhat interesting.

When it comes to religiously-inspired Christian geocentrists, as opposed to, for example, freelance fuckwits and delusionals, their argument is effectively that their deity has made a universe which by every rational measure isn't geocentric while in reality it is, purely in order to deceive people.

So it would in effect be lying?

tolman wrote:That is, they actually believe their deity is petty, scheming and dishonest.
And made them in its own image.

I seem to recall that there are some pronouncements in their wolly book that say that their deity cannot lie. Which would make that a rather strange position to hold.

I always found that an interesting restriction to place on their omnipotent god. Surely the magic fuck has the power to lie.

DarthHelmet86 wrote:

Goldenmane wrote:

Veida wrote:

tolman wrote:Actually, somewhat interesting.

When it comes to religiously-inspired Christian geocentrists, as opposed to, for example, freelance fuckwits and delusionals, their argument is effectively that their deity has made a universe which by every rational measure isn't geocentric while in reality it is, purely in order to deceive people.

So it would in effect be lying?

tolman wrote:That is, they actually believe their deity is petty, scheming and dishonest.
And made them in its own image.

I seem to recall that there are some pronouncements in their wolly book that say that their deity cannot lie. Which would make that a rather strange position to hold.

I always found that an interesting restriction to place on their omnipotent god. Surely the magic fuck has the power to lie.

He can lie about not being able to lie. I suppose for the people who agree with the "can't lie" part and yet think he placed fossils as a test or made it look like Earth was moving as a test would argue that he isn't lying just testing. Or that we can't understand god and thus what we think of as a lie is really not, like Obi Wan and his bullshit I didn't lie I just told you a different version of the truth.

Goldenmane wrote:

DarthHelmet86 wrote:

Goldenmane wrote:

Veida wrote: So it would in effect be lying?


I seem to recall that there are some pronouncements in their wolly book that say that their deity cannot lie. Which would make that a rather strange position to hold.

I always found that an interesting restriction to place on their omnipotent god. Surely the magic fuck has the power to lie.

He can lie about not being able to lie. I suppose for the people who agree with the "can't lie" part and yet think he placed fossils as a test or made it look like Earth was moving as a test would argue that he isn't lying just testing. Or that we can't understand god and thus what we think of as a lie is really not, like Obi Wan and his bullshit I didn't lie I just told you a different version of the truth.

Meh. That's why I always ask for definitions.

DarthHelmet86 wrote:

Goldenmane wrote:

DarthHelmet86 wrote:

Goldenmane wrote:

I always found that an interesting restriction to place on their omnipotent god. Surely the magic fuck has the power to lie.

He can lie about not being able to lie. I suppose for the people who agree with the "can't lie" part and yet think he placed fossils as a test or made it look like Earth was moving as a test would argue that he isn't lying just testing. Or that we can't understand god and thus what we think of as a lie is really not, like Obi Wan and his bullshit I didn't lie I just told you a different version of the truth.

Meh. That's why I always ask for definitions.

A wise thing to do, it at least helps you get on the same page. Even if their apologetics twist that page into a swan.

hackenslash wrote:I had already considered that, and I plan to do a mammoth debunking if the thread is still running when I have leisure. I also want to know how he explains geomagnetism with a static earth.

He keeps citing a paper by Thirring that I'm unfamiliar with, which he says states that frame-dragging is sufficient to explain the coriolis effect.

DarthHelmet86 wrote:He can lie about not being able to lie.