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Re: Evolution under scrutiny

#81  Postby Blackadder » Nov 25, 2011 12:51 pm

@Rumraket...

Nice job.

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Re: Evolution under scrutiny

#82  Postby Rumraket » Nov 25, 2011 1:06 pm

Let's review what just happened:
J Hubner claims that evolution isn't tested against it's claims.
J Hubner wrote:It also seems to me that the main proponent’s of evolutionism are mostly concerned with doing pseudo-science that actual science. Actual science is concerned with rigourous attemps at refutation rather than only attempts at confirmation.
The history of evolution has been nothing but poor attempts at confirmation, gaps subsists, its claims are improvable and it much lacks openness to critique by competent peers.

I demonstrate the falsity of the claim that the predictions of evolutionary theory aren't tested, by linking an actual test of the predictions of the theory of common descent:
A formal test of the theory of universal common ancestry
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v465/n7295/full/nature09014.html#/

J Hubner further claims that evolutionary theory and it's tests aren't subject to criticism by competent peers.
This is again outright false as this paper by Koonin and Wolf shows.
Koonin et al. wrote:Abstract
Background
It is common belief that all cellular life forms on earth have a common origin. This view is supported by the universality of the genetic code and the universal conservation of multiple genes, particularly those that encode key components of the translation system. A remarkable recent study claims to provide a formal, homology independent test of the Universal Common Ancestry hypothesis by comparing the ability of a common-ancestry model and a multiple-ancestry model to predict sequences of universally conserved proteins.

Results
We devised a computational experiment on a concatenated alignment of universally conserved proteins which shows that the purported demonstration of the universal common ancestry is a trivial consequence of significant sequence similarity between the analyzed proteins. The nature and origin of this similarity are irrelevant for the prediction of "common ancestry" of by the model-comparison approach. Thus, homology (common origin) of the compared proteins remains an inference from sequence similarity rather than an independent property demonstrated by the likelihood analysis.

Conclusion
A formal demonstration of the Universal Common Ancestry hypothesis has not been achieved and is unlikely to be feasible in principle. Nevertheless, the evidence in support of this hypothesis provided by comparative genomics is overwhelming.


And what subsequently follows, is that Theobald redeems his original paper by publishing a paper on a rebuttal test in the very fucking journal run and owned by Koonin himself.

The entire process of peer review with all the discussions can be read in the paper itself.

J Hubner simply couldn't be any more wrong.
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Re: Evolution under scrutiny

#83  Postby Spearthrower » Nov 25, 2011 2:09 pm

Rumraket - thanks for posting the Neil Shubin video! While I've read 'Your Inner Fish' - there was quite a bit of info in that vid that was new to me! :cheers:
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Re: Evolution under scrutiny

#84  Postby laklak » Nov 25, 2011 3:10 pm

Gosh, you guys are smart.

I mean that, there are some smart, educated mofos on these boards (as long as you stay out of P&CA).
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Re: Evolution under scrutiny

#85  Postby ElDiablo » Nov 25, 2011 9:14 pm

Spearthrower wrote:Rumraket - thanks for posting the Neil Shubin video! While I've read 'Your Inner Fish' - there was quite a bit of info in that vid that was new to me! :cheers:

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Re: Evolution under scrutiny

#86  Postby Spearthrower » Nov 26, 2011 3:59 am

I was totally unaware of the variation in sizes, and it's a really interesting point that there might be different but similar species, or a growth range. I spent the rest of last night reading up on it! :)
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Re: Evolution under scrutiny

#87  Postby Agrippina » Nov 26, 2011 10:03 am

I'm sitting with my computer on my lap with the TV on in the background. I just picked up this animal's name, is this true that this is the "mother of breast-feeding:"

And they said that it lived in South Africa, which was what caught my attention:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megazostrodon
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Re: Evolution under scrutiny

#88  Postby z8000783 » Nov 26, 2011 10:06 am

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Re: Evolution under scrutiny

#89  Postby trubble76 » Nov 26, 2011 10:11 am

Agrippina wrote:I'm sitting with my computer on my lap with the TV on in the background. I just picked up this animal's name, is this true that this is the "mother of breast-feeding:"

And they said that it lived in South Africa, which was what caught my attention:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megazostrodon


What a little cutie! :heart:
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Re: Evolution under scrutiny

#90  Postby byofrcs » Nov 26, 2011 10:49 am

Wonder what they tasted like ?
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Re: Evolution under scrutiny

#91  Postby Spearthrower » Nov 26, 2011 11:14 am

byofrcs wrote:Wonder what they tasted like ?


Triassic Chicken.
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Re: Evolution under scrutiny

#92  Postby Agrippina » Nov 26, 2011 4:21 pm

:lol:
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Re: Evolution under scrutiny

#93  Postby Rumraket » Dec 03, 2011 10:49 pm

I take it mr. Hubner's flute ran out of air?
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Re: Evolution under scrutiny

#94  Postby Spearthrower » Dec 04, 2011 3:06 am

Hubner's scrutiny is currently focused on regurgitating hackenyed old canards to support his belief in Sky Fairies by pointing out that anyone who doesn't is immoral, stupid, evil etc.

I'm not sure yet whether he's actually clocked that this isn't a blog, but a discussion forum.
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Re: Evolution under scrutiny

#95  Postby Onyx8 » Dec 04, 2011 5:04 am

I suspect if he has a blog no-one reads it. Hence his presence here casting his pearls of...
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Re: Evolution under scrutiny

#96  Postby Made of Stars » Dec 07, 2011 10:42 am

Pearls?

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#97  Postby rJD » Dec 07, 2011 10:51 am

J Hubner wrote:Greetings.

Greetings from planet Earth.

One of the main problems evolutionist’s realists face s nowadays is the principal problem exposed by the wilful ignorance of people who can't be bothered to read up on the real science but instead disagree with it anyway because it makes a nonsense of their favourite make-believe version of the world diversity of species we observe today on our planet.

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