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Io and Enceladus

#1  Postby RobaltCornswell » Jun 18, 2012 10:46 pm

This has been making the rounds on some creationist sites:

http://crev.info/2012/06/too-hot-to-han ... enceladus/
http://creationrevolution.com/2012/06/t ... enceladus/

Couldn't find any refutations, even though the research article is 12 years old?! Then again my google-fu is woefully sub-par. :doh:
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Re: Io and Enceladus

#2  Postby Onyx8 » Jun 18, 2012 11:05 pm

"Scientists don't know everything there is to know about Io and Enceladus, therefore the bible could be correct."
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Re: Io and Enceladus

#3  Postby tytalus » Jun 18, 2012 11:33 pm

Shocking - the JPL's exploration of the solar system does not concentrate on answering questions from creo-skeptics.
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Re: Io and Enceladus

#4  Postby CdesignProponentsist » Jun 19, 2012 4:46 am

Its an attempt to resolve the universe age conflict with YEC.

Even if they did show that the moons are younger (which they aren't), they still have to deal with the fucking entirety of the rest of the whole goddamn universe.

Seems they are off to a slow start.

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Re: Io and Enceladus

#5  Postby Rumraket » Jun 19, 2012 7:52 am

Ahh, the "there's something here we don't know therefore everything else we thought we knew, ever, is entirely and completely wrong and the bible is completely and fully correct"-argument.
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Re: Io and Enceladus

#6  Postby Microfarad » Jun 22, 2012 2:09 pm

Rumraket wrote:Ahh, the "there's something here we don't know therefore everything else we thought we knew, ever, is entirely and completely wrong and the bible is completely and fully correct"-argument.

I agree.
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Re: Io and Enceladus

#7  Postby Spearthrower » Jul 01, 2012 4:01 am

So, Io or Enceladus may (and I take that with a pinch of salt) not be billions of years old?

So what?

Even if it were true, what's that got to do with anything?

Moons aren't obliged to accrete at the same time as their host planets. Planets can capture bodies billions of years after they form.

It's typical creationist nonsense, trying to turn a lack of knowledge into a positive claim to knowledge.
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Re: Io and Enceladus

#8  Postby Alan C » Jul 17, 2012 8:45 am

And I thought Flud waters hitting the moon was bad enough.
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Re: Io and Enceladus

#9  Postby chairman bill » Jul 29, 2012 8:00 am

Some interesting developments regarding Enceladus ...

Enceladus: home of alien lifeforms?
Mars dominates the search for extraterrestrial life in our solar system, but a growing number of scientists believe Enceladus, an icy moon of Saturn, is a much better bet
http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2012/jul/29/alien-life-enceladus-saturn-moon

Enceladus is little bigger than a lump of rock and has appeared, until recently, as a mere pinprick of light in astronomers' telescopes. Yet Saturn's tiny moon has suddenly become a major attraction for scientists. Many now believe it offers the best hope we have of discovering life on another world inside our solar system.

The idea that a moon a mere 310 miles in diameter, orbiting in deep, cold space, 1bn miles from the sun, could provide a home for alien lifeforms may seem extraordinary. Nevertheless, a growing number of researchers consider this is a real prospect and argue that Enceladus should be rated a top priority for future space missions.

This point is endorsed by astrobiologist Professor Charles Cockell of Edinburgh University. "If someone gave me several billion dollars to build whatever space probe I wanted, I would have no hesitation," he says. "I would construct one that could fly to Saturn and collect samples from Enceladus. I would go there rather than Mars or the icy moons of Jupiter, such as Europa, despite encouraging signs that they could support life. Primitive, bacteria-like lifeforms may indeed exist on these worlds but they are probably buried deep below their surfaces and will be difficult to access. On Enceladus, if there are lifeforms, they will be easy to pick up. They will be pouring into space." (cont)
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Re: Io and Enceladus

#10  Postby Microfarad » Jul 30, 2012 4:51 pm

Did only Cassino analyze Encelado?
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Re: Io and Enceladus

#11  Postby Spearthrower » Jul 30, 2012 5:09 pm

Microfarad wrote:Did only Cassino analyze Encelado?


If you mean analyze the chemical composition, then yes. But both Voyagers gave an early picture.

I've seen a lot of talk about Enceladus over the last year or so - let's hope it happens soon, whether by ESA or NASA.

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