On science. By Robert Byers

Robert Byers · #1 by **Robert Byers** » Nov 30, 2011 2:39 am

Just to settle what comes up in origin issues about the nature of science.
What is science.

This YEC creationist says there is not and has never been a thing or process called science.
Its just a careless misunderstanding of human investigation and imagination in dealing with the elements of nature.
There is simply people thinking and coming to conclusions whether right or wrong.
Whether in medicine, mechanics, or finding ones way down the stairs in the dark its all the same simple process of thinking about about data before our senses.
There is no higher concept of human thought that is called science.
Smart results are just from smart thinking. nO special methodology need be imagined to be going on in human beings minds.

Then why such a great error of mankind in thinking there is a thing called science.

This is because such intelligent results are created that it seems right to man to say these results are from a special methodology unlike ordinary results of man.
Cool ideas and things must be from very cool unique processes in human beings.

Yet in reality its just simply old fashioned thinking and better thinking.

Nevertheless if the world insists there is such a thing as science then creationism or anyone must hold it too its claimed high standards of investigation of nature.

In short the best they can say that science is IS as follows.

Science is a high standard of investigation of nature that can DEMAND high confidence in its conclusions.

This is how most people see science. tHats why they will say ITS SCIENTIFIC when backing some claim.
Meaning the claim has a higher standard of investigation behind it.

Creationism is confronted by the claims that evolution etc is from scientific investigation.
So we should cease and desist in fighting evolutionism unless we prove we are doing science or anyways not oppose science.
So we reply either we do science or nobody does in these issues or some , well me, there is no such thing as science.
Then its just merits of the case. jUst weighing the evidence.
However the SCIENCE label is used to prove evolution beyond proving by the evidence.

Thats what the whole thing is about science and as I see it and probably many thoughtful people.
All that could be said in criticism is to invoke a special and high standard of investigation.
If so then is indeed evolution the result of such a standard in the past and today?!
Close investigation will show it is not.
I'm open however to correction by those giving a high standard of criticism.

Weaver · #2 by **Weaver** » Nov 30, 2011 2:46 am

So many words - so much utterly wrong.

Whatever, Robert Byers ... You just want to carve out a special exception from reality for your personal version of a fantasy. Feel free to do so for yourself - but don't try to convince yourself that your fantasies have any greater meaning, or affect the real world in any measurable way.

See, here's the thing about scientific inquiry - it doesn't care what you think about it's conclusions, or what cherished sacred cows it destroys while describing reality. All that matters is what IS - and your fantastic god simply isn't.

LucidFlight · #3 by **LucidFlight** » Nov 30, 2011 3:06 am

I'm lost. What is Byers actually trying to say? :scratch:

Darwinsbulldog · #4 by **Darwinsbulldog** » Nov 30, 2011 3:08 am

Ah Robert, who can disclaim the unlimited power of faith? We only need to look at your words, and all becomes explained. :-)

Darwinsbulldog · #5 by **Darwinsbulldog** » Nov 30, 2011 3:09 am

LucidFlight wrote:I'm lost. What is Byers actually trying to say?

Robert is just giving us an example of pure faith, uncontamined by reason or evidence.

sennekuyl · #6 by **sennekuyl** » Nov 30, 2011 3:15 am

That is one way to win the debate... when losing, declare the methods arrayed against you invalid.

So honest, generous and admirable.

Darwinsbulldog · #7 by **Darwinsbulldog** » Nov 30, 2011 3:18 am

I say make Robert Byers head of the Academy of Sciences, as he alone sees what everybody else does not! :-)

Spearthrower · #8 by **Spearthrower** » Nov 30, 2011 3:26 am

This YEC creationist says there is not and has never been a thing or process called science.

Ummm 'Creation Science', dear Robert? Your fantasy doesn't even make sense to you, does it?

So, dear Robert, we have you on record now with a public admission that adoption of Creationism requires abandonment of science! :lol:

And on what medium did you write this? :lol:

I don't think I've ever met a more batty creationist screed! You've excelled yourself, dear Robert! :lol:

To the peanut gallery:

So, in perspective of the Wedge Strategy.... what do you think, folks? Is this the culmination of the wedge strategy? Is Robert the 'thick end of the wedge'? :lol:

Landrew · #9 by **Landrew** » Nov 30, 2011 3:29 am

Creation requires a creator, which requires a belief in magic. There is no magic; nearly every magician and illusionist will tell you that. Everything is accomplished by purely natural means. Magic has been disproved millions of times by science. That's a trend that's impossible to ignore.

Spearthrower · **#10** by **Spearthrower** » Nov 30, 2011 3:44 am

Dear Robert.

You have been asked a goodly number of times (I can cite them if you like?) to provide a write-up of how you think scientific method operates.

Strangely, given your claims that X isn't scientific, or it's just a hunch, or whatever, you have failed repeatedly to respond to this.

However, this topic leaves no more wriggle room. It is past time that you explain precisely how you think science is conducted.

stijndeloose · **#11** by **stijndeloose** » Nov 30, 2011 3:47 am

LucidFlight wrote:I'm lost. What is Byers actually trying to say?

"You're right and I'm wrong and that's NOT fair. Therefore shplurp." I think. :think:

Darwinsbulldog · **#12** by **Darwinsbulldog** » Nov 30, 2011 4:39 am

stijndeloose wrote:
LucidFlight wrote:I'm lost. What is Byers actually trying to say?

"You're right and I'm wrong and that's NOT fair. Therefore shplurp." I think.

Robert wants us to ditch every philosopher and scientist from Aristotle to Zimmer and go with the faith. As I said, it is pure faith. This is faith, taken to it's illogical conclusion.

NineOneFour · **#13** by **NineOneFour** » Nov 30, 2011 5:16 am

My god.

It's like reading a novel written by a cabbage.

patient zero · **#14** by **patient zero** » Nov 30, 2011 5:20 am

Has anyone sent this to FSTDT yet?

Darwinsbulldog · **#15** by **Darwinsbulldog** » Nov 30, 2011 6:45 am

NineOneFour wrote:My god.

It's like reading a novel written by a cabbage.

Now you are just insulting cabbages! :evilgrin:

Withdraw your remarks, or I shall throw down my gauntlet.

Spearthrower · **#16** by **Spearthrower** » Nov 30, 2011 6:57 am

Does anyone else think the title's cute?

CookieJon · **#17** by **CookieJon** » Nov 30, 2011 7:07 am

Spearthrower wrote:Does anyone else think the title's cute?

My Trip to the Zoo. By Robert Byers.

Just to settle what comes up in origin issues about the nature of science.
What is science.

This YEC creationist says there is not and has never been a thing or process called science.
Its just a careless misunderstanding of human investigation and imagination in dealing with the elements of nature.
There is simply people thinking and coming to conclusions whether right or wrong.
Whether in medicine, mechanics, or finding ones way down the stairs in the dark its all the same simple process of thinking about about data before our senses.
There is no higher concept of human thought that is called science.
Smart results are just from smart thinking. nO special methodology need be imagined to be going on in human beings minds.

Then why such a great error of mankind in thinking there is a thing called science.

This is because such intelligent results are created that it seems right to man to say these results are from a special methodology unlike ordinary results of man.
Cool ideas and things must be from very cool unique processes in human beings.

Yet in reality its just simply old fashioned thinking and better thinking.

Nevertheless if the world insists there is such a thing as science then creationism or anyone must hold it too its claimed high standards of investigation of nature.

In short the best they can say that science is IS as follows.

Science is a high standard of investigation of nature that can DEMAND high confidence in its conclusions.

This is how most people see science. tHats why they will say ITS SCIENTIFIC when backing some claim.
Meaning the claim has a higher standard of investigation behind it.

Creationism is confronted by the claims that evolution etc is from scientific investigation.
So we should cease and desist in fighting evolutionism unless we prove we are doing science or anyways not oppose science.
So we reply either we do science or nobody does in these issues or some , well me, there is no such thing as science.
Then its just merits of the case. jUst weighing the evidence.
However the SCIENCE label is used to prove evolution beyond proving by the evidence.

Thats what the whole thing is about science and as I see it and probably many thoughtful people.
All that could be said in criticism is to invoke a special and high standard of investigation.
If so then is indeed evolution the result of such a standard in the past and today?!
Close investigation will show it is not.
I'm open however to correction by those giving a high standard of criticism.

Pebble · **#18** by **Pebble** » Nov 30, 2011 7:07 am

Spearthrower wrote:Does anyone else think the title's cute?

More an oxymoron.

Macroinvertebrate · **#19** by **Macroinvertebrate** » Nov 30, 2011 7:27 am

This is your brain on God.

Blackadder · **#20** by **Blackadder** » Nov 30, 2011 7:46 am

Robert Byers wrote:
I'm open however to correction by those giving a high standard of criticism.

Like fuck are you open to anything. You've had "correction" on here from people who have such a high standard of criticism that apparently you are unable to read their responses to your garbage. Go back and read every single one of your posts and you will find all the correction you need right there. You are simply wasting everyone's time here.