John Platko wrote::coffee:
I don't think I've ever met a creationist in real life. I've got to get out more - I don't even know where I'd look for one.
Try your local evangelical church. You'll find a lot of experts on god, just like you are.

I'm looking for succinct yet reasonably accurate analogies that can be understood easily
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John Platko wrote::coffee:
I don't think I've ever met a creationist in real life. I've got to get out more - I don't even know where I'd look for one.
romansh wrote:Even what I take to be your view John is a minority view
http://www.gallup.com/poll/170822/belie ... igins.aspx
Tzelemel wrote:My Uncle once did a favour to the local MP's wife (or maybe it was a Councillor, I forget which), and stocked her newspaper in the waiting area of his restaurant. Typical Fundie claptrap. It went on about how scientists were wasting their time, because the Bible had already predicted their findings, or some such nonsense.
If it were't for the fact that I knew most people wouldn't have had the time to read it, I'd have junked the lot.
John Platko wrote:
I would be shocked to find out there was a church within 10 miles of me where the general population didn't accept evolution. And there's a lot of people within 10 miles of me. On the other hand, I'm confident there are churches where people take the Bible literally and then rationalize the hell out of it.
mingthething wrote:Tzelemel wrote:My Uncle once did a favour to the local MP's wife (or maybe it was a Councillor, I forget which), and stocked her newspaper in the waiting area of his restaurant. Typical Fundie claptrap. It went on about how scientists were wasting their time, because the Bible had already predicted their findings, or some such nonsense.
If it were't for the fact that I knew most people wouldn't have had the time to read it, I'd have junked the lot.
Creationist: Creationists use the scientific method. Creation science is a science.
Counter-argument: Scientific method consists of proposing a hypothesis and testing it. It also has predictive power , such as being able to predict what kind of rocks you should find in what strata, being able to calculate the path of an asteroid, being able to predict which medicines should work and which should not. What hypothesis are you testing, and how are you going to test that hypothesis?
Calilasseia wrote:Gila Guerilla wrote:Evolutionist: "Such and such an evolutionary line split off from such and such else evolutionary line, X hundreds of thousands of years ago".
Creationist: "That's wrong - were you there ??? (Sucker)."
I don't have to be. Physical processes leave behind evidence of their occurrence, much of it persistent. You are persistent evidence that your parents had sex.
That'll shake them.
Creationist: "That's wrong - were you there ??? (Sucker)."
mingthething wrote:Tzelemel wrote:Gila Guerilla wrote:Evolutionist: "Such and such an evolutionary line split off from such and such else evolutionary line, X hundreds of thousands of years ago".
Creationist: "That's wrong - were you there ??? (Sucker)."
Evolutionist: "How can you say it didn't happen - were you there ??? (Back at you)."
That's a terrible counterargument, because they'll just point to the Bible, then you have to waste time debating the Bible.
My counterargument would be, "So, are you saying that we should let all the murderers free? After all, none of the detectives or prosecutors were there to witness the crime."
Then they'd bring up examples of wrongful conviction occurring to justify their argument that nobody knows for sure because 'you weren't there'. Then the argument from Rashomon etc. Then comes the argument of 'The facts are the same. Just that we interpret the facts differently'. I don't know if I've got a snappy, vivid argument that demolishes this in one or two sentences.
Evolutionist: "Such and such an evolutionary line split off from such and such else evolutionary line, X hundreds of thousands of years ago".
Creationist: "That's wrong - were you there ??? (Sucker)."
Evolutionist: "Don't ask such stupid f****ing questions."
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