Reality TV star blames the Holocaust on evolution

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Reality TV star blames the Holocaust on evolution

#1  Postby Dolorian » Oct 02, 2014 9:39 pm

“I walked through the Holocaust Museum again today,” she wrote in post on Instagram, “very sobering. Millions of innocents denied the most basic and fundamental of all rights–their right to life. One human destroying the life of another deemed ‘less than human.’ Racism, stemming from the evolutionary idea that man came from something less than human; that some people groups are ‘more evolved’ and others ‘less evolved.’ A denying that our Creator–GOD–made us human from the beginning, all of ONE BLOOD and ONE RACE, descendants of Adam. The belief that some human beings are ‘not fit to live.’”


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Ah, so that's why God choose the Jews as his own people....
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#2  Postby Animavore » Oct 02, 2014 9:45 pm

If someone thinks anything is "more evolved" than anthing else they don't understand evolution straight away. The irony is if you told a creationist they were no more evolved than a slug or E.colli they would take offence at that too stating that humans are created separately from the animals and are above them.

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#3  Postby Calilasseia » Oct 02, 2014 9:55 pm

So a homeschooled member of a "quiverfull" family, given a cushy job as a "reality TV" star, opens her mouth and demonstrates that she doesn't have a functioning brain controlling said mouth. Why am I not surprised?
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#4  Postby james1v » Oct 03, 2014 1:04 am

"Adam" The creator of the "Other".
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#5  Postby Rachel Bronwyn » Oct 03, 2014 4:52 am

She's never attended a science class in her life. She doesn't have access to resources her parents don't approve of now (her dad reads her texts, decides what books she reads and what she watches on TV and one of her brothers watches all her online activity) and if she is sufficiently inquisitive to want to look into the matter in the future her husband will decide whether that's allowed or not. She's got a brain. She's probably not even dumb. She's indoctrinated very effectively and very, very isolated and sheltered. That's sad. She's the product of child abuse.
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#6  Postby Darwinsbulldog » Oct 03, 2014 5:21 am

Rachel Bronwyn wrote:She's never attended a science class in her life. She doesn't have access to resources her parents don't approve of now (her dad reads her texts, decides what books she reads and what she watches on TV and one of her brothers watches all her online activity) and if she is sufficiently inquisitive to want to look into the matter in the future her husband will decide whether that's allowed or not. She's got a brain. She's probably not even dumb. She's indoctrinated very effectively and very, very isolated and sheltered. That's sad. She's the product of child abuse.

^^^^This^^^^

Child abuse that is sadly not recognized as child abuse. It has been a long and tragically slow road for communities to become aware, and repelled by child rape, and I fear it will take even longer for everyone to be repelled at the indoctrination of children, for whatever "cause".
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#7  Postby fluttermoth » Oct 03, 2014 12:56 pm

Rachel Bronwyn wrote:She's never attended a science class in her life. She doesn't have access to resources her parents don't approve of now (her dad reads her texts, decides what books she reads and what she watches on TV and one of her brothers watches all her online activity) and if she is sufficiently inquisitive to want to look into the matter in the future her husband will decide whether that's allowed or not. She's got a brain. She's probably not even dumb. She's indoctrinated very effectively and very, very isolated and sheltered. That's sad. She's the product of child abuse.


That's absolutely tragic, poor girl :(
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#8  Postby NamelessFaceless » Oct 03, 2014 3:04 pm

Wonder if she knows about the Amalekites. :coffee:
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#9  Postby tolman » Oct 03, 2014 3:36 pm

Darwinsbulldog wrote:Child abuse that is sadly not recognized as child abuse. It has been a long and tragically slow road for communities to become aware, and repelled by child rape, and I fear it will take even longer for everyone to be repelled at the indoctrination of children, for whatever "cause".

Though it is rather tricky even for one person to say where a line should be drawn, even if they see some situations as clearly being on one side of the line or another, let alone where people would be likely to agree to draw a line.

Especially if the issue is one where over-protective significantly overlaps with meaningfully-harmful or abusive, and where there are complexities regarding how grown up a particular child might be if they have historically been over-protected.

For all that I disapprove of children being indoctrinated, I'd be unsure how to sensibly and clearly define what is acceptable and unacceptable in a way which isn't heavily culturally-specific.
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#10  Postby Animavore » Oct 03, 2014 3:41 pm

Rachel Bronwyn wrote:She's never attended a science class in her life. She doesn't have access to resources her parents don't approve of now (her dad reads her texts, decides what books she reads and what she watches on TV and one of her brothers watches all her online activity) and if she is sufficiently inquisitive to want to look into the matter in the future her husband will decide whether that's allowed or not. She's got a brain. She's probably not even dumb. She's indoctrinated very effectively and very, very isolated and sheltered. That's sad. She's the product of child abuse.


Wow. Perfect indoctrination.
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#11  Postby Calilasseia » Oct 03, 2014 9:45 pm

Rachel Bronwyn wrote:She's never attended a science class in her life. She doesn't have access to resources her parents don't approve of now (her dad reads her texts, decides what books she reads and what she watches on TV and one of her brothers watches all her online activity) and if she is sufficiently inquisitive to want to look into the matter in the future her husband will decide whether that's allowed or not. She's got a brain. She's probably not even dumb. She's indoctrinated very effectively and very, very isolated and sheltered. That's sad. She's the product of child abuse.


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Re: Reality TV star blames the Holocaust on evolution

#12  Postby Dolorian » Oct 03, 2014 9:53 pm

Found this little bit of info posted in another forum, it is a guideline as to what type of works the Nazis are to burn/ban (see the full list here):

6. Writings of a philosophical and social nature whose content deals with the false scientific enlightenment of primitive Darwinism and Monism

Oops...seems that evolution had nothing to do with it.
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#13  Postby Calilasseia » Oct 03, 2014 10:34 pm

Exactly. Moreover, if you scan through the text of Mein Kampf, you'll find that Hitler's view of the biosphere was farmore akin to creationism than evolution. Viz:

Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf wrote:Even a superficial glance is sufficient to show that all the innumerable forms in which the life-urge of Nature manifests itself are subject to a fundamental law - one may call it an iron law of Nature - which compels the various species to keep within the definite limits of their own life-forms when propagating and multiplying their kind. Each animal mates only with one of its own species. The titmouse cohabits only with the titmouse, the finch with the finch, the stork with the stork, the field-mouse with the field-mouse, the house-mouse with the house-mouse, the wolf with the she-wolf, etc.


Oh look, it's the creationist "kinds" view of biology.
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#14  Postby patient zero » Oct 06, 2014 3:58 pm

Dolorian wrote:Found this little bit of info posted in another forum, it is a guideline as to what type of works the Nazis are to burn/ban (see the full list here):

6. Writings of a philosophical and social nature whose content deals with the false scientific enlightenment of primitive Darwinism and Monism

Oops...seems that evolution had nothing to do with it.

I started to wonder what jayjay would think about the evidence posted above, but quickly realized he would simply pretend that it was never posted or laughably, he'd take it as "proof" supporting his ill-defined "atheist ideology" crap. :yuk:
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#15  Postby The Plc » Oct 06, 2014 4:09 pm

The genealogy of Nazi ideology most probably did not include any serious informed understanding of Darwinian biology, but even if it didn't, the conclusion that evolution is false is an entirely an erroneous one.
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#16  Postby Animavore » Oct 06, 2014 5:04 pm

Calilasseia wrote:Exactly. Moreover, if you scan through the text of Mein Kampf, you'll find that Hitler's view of the biosphere was farmore akin to creationism than evolution. Viz:

Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf wrote:Even a superficial glance is sufficient to show that all the innumerable forms in which the life-urge of Nature manifests itself are subject to a fundamental law - one may call it an iron law of Nature - which compels the various species to keep within the definite limits of their own life-forms when propagating and multiplying their kind. Each animal mates only with one of its own species. The titmouse cohabits only with the titmouse, the finch with the finch, the stork with the stork, the field-mouse with the field-mouse, the house-mouse with the house-mouse, the wolf with the she-wolf, etc.


Oh look, it's the creationist "kinds" view of biology.


The Nazis thought white people were the direct descendants of Adam and Eve. The blacks were some cursed race, the descendants of Ham, and Asian types, because they're not mentioned in the Bible, were sub-humans, a separate creation. You can't have racial 'purity' without believing there is some sort of dividing line between the races which is supposed to define them and upon which you should not cross.

Incidently, if you go to the creationist museum in Kentucky you'll see a map of human geneolgy which goes from Adam and Eve and does indeed show black people as descendants of Ham. The rest of the races are separated at the tower of Babel incident. The sub-human element is removed.
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#17  Postby Calilasseia » Oct 06, 2014 5:12 pm

Well to be fair, Ham's collection of Tilt-O-Whirls for fundie retards got the idea from Henry Morris, who was the first modern American creationist to start selling the idea. But he in turn got it from the Ku Klux Klan, who were pushing this shit a good 60 years or so before Hitler got off the ground in any major way politically.
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#18  Postby Animavore » Oct 06, 2014 5:15 pm

Calilasseia wrote:Well to be fair, Ham's collection of Tilt-O-Whirls for fundie retards got the idea from Henry Morris, who was the first modern American creationist to start selling the idea. But he in turn got it from the Ku Klux Klan, who were pushing this shit a good 60 years or so before Hitler got off the ground in any major way politically.


I'm pretty sure that the KKK got it from somewhere before that themselves, back into the slave trade. There's a whole Wiki article on the "Curse of Ham".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curse_of_Ham

In other words the Nazis, KKK and the creationists' views on race share a common ancestor.
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#19  Postby laklak » Oct 06, 2014 5:23 pm

Stupid, ignorant fundy bint says something stupidly ignorant. Video at 11.

It's a free country, she doesn't have to stay ignorant. She doesn't have to let her father and husband control her like she was a fucking slave. It's her own fault if she doesn't tell them all to go pound sand up their sanctimonious asses. Oh, it's so hard, she was indoctrinated. Tough shit, plenty of people have shaken off the bullshit they were raised with, if you can't or won't do so then I've no sympathy.
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#20  Postby Varangian » Oct 06, 2014 5:34 pm

Animavore wrote:
Calilasseia wrote:Well to be fair, Ham's collection of Tilt-O-Whirls for fundie retards got the idea from Henry Morris, who was the first modern American creationist to start selling the idea. But he in turn got it from the Ku Klux Klan, who were pushing this shit a good 60 years or so before Hitler got off the ground in any major way politically.


I'm pretty sure that the KKK got it from somewhere before that themselves, back into the slave trade. There's a whole Wiki article on the "Curse of Ham".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curse_of_Ham

In other words the Nazis, KKK and the creationists' views on race share a common ancestor.

Now it's the Curse of Ken Ham.
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