Robert Ballard Claims Flood Was Real

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Robert Ballard Claims Flood Was Real

#1  Postby Sovereign » Dec 11, 2012 5:27 pm

...and he should stick to finding shipwrecks.

Robert Ballard, one of the world's most famous underwater explorers, has set his sights on proving the existence of one of the Bible's most well known stories.

In an interview with ABC's Christiane Amanpour the archaeologist who discovered the Titanic discussed his findings from his search in Turkey for evidence of a civilization swept away by a monstrous ancient flood. Continued...

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#2  Postby Calilasseia » Dec 11, 2012 6:28 pm

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#3  Postby Onyx8 » Dec 11, 2012 6:39 pm

A flood, not THE flood.

He is not a total numpty. Bad reporting.
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#4  Postby I'm With Stupid » Dec 11, 2012 7:49 pm

Just a quick climate-based question. If all of the water in the atmosphere was rained onto the planet at once, until it was all in in the sea, how much would sea levels actually rise? I'm gonna have a guess that it wouldn't be to the top of Everest.
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#5  Postby Varangian » Dec 11, 2012 8:10 pm

From an article linked to in the article:

Ballard does not think he will ever find Noah's Ark, but he does think he may find evidence of a people whose entire world was washed away about 7,000 years ago. He and his team said they plan to return to Turkey next summer.

"It's foolish to think you will ever find a ship," Ballard said, referring to the Ark. "But can you find people who were living? Can you find their villages that are underwater now? And the answer is yes."

The articles are pandering to a US audience, where it seems that you have to give a nod to the possibility that the Bumper Book of Myths might hold some truth. The way the gullible faithful see it, archaeological findings prove that the bible is right, not that there were events in the past that were turned into myth in the bible.
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#6  Postby The_Metatron » Dec 11, 2012 9:12 pm

Onyx8 wrote:A flood, not THE flood.

He is not a total numpty. Bad reporting.

Shockingly bad.
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#7  Postby Macdoc » Dec 11, 2012 9:22 pm

There is a very good evidence of a break out flood in the area that the legends centre around. Villages deep under water have been identified.
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Underwater Archaeology in Black Sea Proves Plato Was Right
Time for Some Re-Thinking
Sept. 13, 2000—Explorers in an undersea discovery craft came upon remnants of human habitation 311-feet below the surface of the Black Sea, approximately 12 miles off the Turkish shoreline, near the port city of Sinop. The well-preserved remnants of a mud and wattle house are thought to be part of a human settlement at the intersection of two great rivers, dating to a time before the flooding of the Black Sea by the waters of the Mediterranean, an event which probably occurred about 7,500 years before present as a result of glacial ice melt.


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#8  Postby Macdoc » Dec 11, 2012 9:24 pm

Just a quick climate-based question. If all of the water in the atmosphere was rained onto the planet at once, until it was all in in the sea, how much would sea levels actually rise? I'm gonna have a guess that it wouldn't be to the top of Everest.


there is not a lot of water in the atmosphere. Vanishingly small

One estimate of the volume of water in the atmosphere at any one time is ... but it is only about 0.001 percent of the total Earth's water volume of


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#9  Postby HughMcB » Dec 11, 2012 9:41 pm

We know massive flood events happened and are still continuing to happen today.

This says nothing about Naoh's majick globble flub however.
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#10  Postby Macdoc » Dec 11, 2012 10:22 pm

Sorry but you are incorrect. There have been very few events that could put a town 310' under water.
That's an event that legends spring from and Noah's Ark is just one of those.

The break through of the Mediterranean into the Black Sea would have appeared to be the end of the world to anyone in or near the zone. Denying there are roots in myths is as dogmatically wrong headed as the sky daddy types that take the twisted over time version as eye witness accounts. :coffee:
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#11  Postby klazmon » Dec 11, 2012 10:36 pm

Macdoc wrote:Sorry but you are incorrect. There have been very few events that could put a town 310' under water.
That's an event that legends spring from and Noah's Ark is just one of those.

The break through of the Mediterranean into the Black Sea would have appeared to be the end of the world to anyone in or near the zone. Denying there are roots in myths is as dogmatically wrong headed as the sky daddy types that take the twisted over time version as eye witness accounts. :coffee:


It's speculation though. There is nothing that obviously links any of the Mesopotamian flood stories to the flooding of the Black Sea. The link is tenuous even at a huge stretch. It isn't like devastating floods are unknown to the actual region where the stories appear to originate.
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#12  Postby Macdoc » Dec 11, 2012 11:50 pm

Only one is big enough to generate a long tale and who knows how it circulated through the region via song and word of mouth.
The trading region was extensive and the Black Sea a major route from the Med to the North.
Who cares.....pick one if you say there are but I daresay you would be hard pressed to find another of that scale short of the Atlantic busting into the Med and that was a while back.
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#13  Postby klazmon » Dec 12, 2012 2:48 am

Macdoc wrote:Only one is big enough to generate a long tale and who knows how it circulated through the region via song and word of mouth.
The trading region was extensive and the Black Sea a major route from the Med to the North.
Who cares.....pick one if you say there are but I daresay you would be hard pressed to find another of that scale short of the Atlantic busting into the Med and that was a while back.



It isn't really established that the Black Sea flood was particularly rapid - this seems to be under dispute. A river flood could be much more catastrophic. I must admit it would have been cool to see the Med getting flooded through the Straits of Gibralter :grin: .
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#14  Postby Macdoc » Dec 12, 2012 3:41 am

You got another explanation for a village 100 meters underwater? :popcorn:
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#15  Postby klazmon » Dec 12, 2012 4:08 am

Macdoc wrote:You got another explanation for a village 100 meters underwater? :popcorn:


It could have taken months or years to get that deep.

Also Ballard's claims are disputed:

One apparent piece of supporting evidence—the discovery of the remains of a wood-and-mud house littered about with
stone tools 91 meters beneath the Black Sea (Science , 22 September 2000, p. 2021)—has not panned out. “It looks peculiar,” says Gilbert, but there’s no sign it’s anything more than a random bunch of rocks and sticks.


http://black.sealevel.ca/papers/review070817.pdf

From 2009:

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/ar ... 9108002928

Stratigraphic and paleo-geomorphologic information from Danube delta aided by radiocarbon ages on articulated mollusks constrain the level in the Black Sea before the marine reconnection to ca 30 m below the present sea level rather than 80 m or lower. If the flood occurred at all, the sea level increase and the flooded area during the reconnection were significantly smaller than previously proposed.
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#16  Postby Varangian » Dec 12, 2012 7:38 am

Macdoc wrote:You got another explanation for a village 100 meters underwater? :popcorn:

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#17  Postby Fenrir » Dec 12, 2012 7:39 am

klazmon wrote:

From 2009:

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/ar ... 9108002928

Stratigraphic and paleo-geomorphologic information from Danube delta aided by radiocarbon ages on articulated mollusks constrain the level in the Black Sea before the marine reconnection to ca 30 m below the present sea level rather than 80 m or lower. If the flood occurred at all, the sea level increase and the flooded area during the reconnection were significantly smaller than previously proposed.


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#18  Postby Oeditor » Dec 17, 2012 11:36 am

Perhaps our intrepid undersea explorer will now go and find the "fountains of the deeo" that are supposed to have contributed to the flood. A much neglected claim, with never an explanation of how the water was replaced or the fountains' chambers were compressed.
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#19  Postby Oldskeptic » Dec 18, 2012 1:27 am

Macdoc wrote:You got another explanation for a village 100 meters underwater? :popcorn:


What village? I did a web search on "village 100 meters underwater" and this is what I got:
https://www.google.com/#hl=en&sugexp=le ... 66&bih=569

Where is this village and what is the evidence for it? If it is in the Black Sea then it puts it 100 meters below sea level, very hot very dry. Unless there was a river running through it, but then we would have to ask how the river climbed 100 meters to drain into the Mediterranean.
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Re: Robert Ballard Claims Flood Was Real

#20  Postby CdesignProponentsist » Dec 18, 2012 1:30 am

I would read the rest of his story before discounting it. I think he is referring to the flooding of the Caspian or Black Sea if I'm not mistaken. Which is quite likely a real event following the last ice age.

I don't think he is espousing that there was actually a Noah's arc or any other literal biblical nonsense. Only that they may have been the inspiration for historical flood stories.
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