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Cito di Pense wrote:There was no science of the sort to which you are making reference when the texts of the bible were written. You are applying a modern interpretation using stuff you know that the authors of those texts did not. You can, of course, make any interpretation that suits your fancy. What you need to do is give up trying to pass your very personal interpretations on to other folks more or less at random and in-the-blind. If it's not a personal interpretation (and it isn't, it's cribbing from creationist tracts) then go ask those folks. I'm not interested in dissuading you from your own interpretation, but so far, it looks like typical Christian ignorance.
tuco wrote:There is more.
John 1:1 In the beginning was RNA, and RNA was with God, and RNA was God. Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. In him was life, and that life was the light of men.
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Light Can Be Sent and Manifested in Speech
Job 38:35 35 Can you send forth lightnings, that they may go and say to you, ‘Here we are’?
The Bible is saying you can use electricity to send messages and lightning also generates radio waves. This one is particularly impressive because I cannot think of what else it might mean
Passer wrote:I don't have a problem with the above not being what the video says they are about. I am merely hoping for some other interpretation to them that's all. I suppose I was hoping that there would be a standard reply to them.
Cito di Pense wrote:Passer wrote:I don't have a problem with the above not being what the video says they are about. I am merely hoping for some other interpretation to them that's all. I suppose I was hoping that there would be a standard reply to them.
Really? You want somebody to interpret bible verses for you? You want somebody to interpret bible verses in a secular vein? Why? It's as if you're claiming you can't re-interpret them from inside your Christian cocoon, but that's just lazy.
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I just cannot find an alternative interpretation for them. I don't think that is lazy, that's just not being able to figure something out. It might be me being dense on my part (wouldn't be the first), but not lazy. I could google it, but it is my experience that google is sometimes way too random with these things and was hoping I could get a direct route to a few good explanations here.
Passer wrote:EDIT: Changed topic title
EDIT: My questions came from watching the first hour of this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5mvx8kW33OU&t=0s
What do you make of the following scientific claims found in the Bible?
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but the sea is not full;
Passer wrote: to the place where the streams flow,
there they flow again.
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Did the people of the day know how all this worked?
Passer wrote: I was told they had no idea why the seas did not fill up,
Passer wrote: but more or less maintained their level even though the rains and rivers fell into them. I readily admit I have no evidence they did not know.
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Dinosaurs described
Job 40:15-24
15“Behold, Behemoth, which I made as I made you; he eats grass like an ox. 16Behold, his strength in his loins, and his power in the muscles of his belly. 17He makes his tail stiff like a cedar; the sinews of his thighs are knit together. 18His bones are tubes of bronze, his limbs like bars of iron.
19“He is the first of the works of God; let him who made him bring near his sword! 20For the mountains yield food for him where all the wild beasts play. 21Under the lotus plants he lies, in the shelter of the reeds and in the marsh. 22For his shade the lotus trees cover him; the willows of the brook surround him. 23Behold, if the river is turbulent he is not frightened; he is confident though Jordan rushes against his mouth. 24Can one take him by his eyes, or pierce his nose with a snare?
I highlight the parts that seem to refer to a huge beast, strong and powerful.
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It sounds like a sauropod.
Passer wrote: Clearly not a hippo, or rhino, or elephant due to the large cedar like tail,
Passer wrote: and it cannot be a crocodile because the behemoth eats grass; I’m not sure if they do that.
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Light Can Be Divided
Job 38:34
24What is the way to the place where the light is distributed, or where the east wind is scattered upon the earth?
Isaac Newton studied light and discovered it was made up of seven different colours. Science confirmed this 400 years ago but the Bible is talking about it 4000 years ago.
Passer wrote: If it isn't, what might the verses be referring to?
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The Jet Streams
Ecclesiastes 1:6 6The wind blows to the south and goes around to the north; around and around goes the wind, and on its circuits the wind returns
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At a time when it was thought the winds blew straight,
Passer wrote:the Bible declares the wind goes to the south then turns again to the north,
Passer wrote: the winds whirl about continually and returns again to its circuit. The jet stream circuit wasn’t discovered until the early 1940s
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Light Can Be Sent and Manifested in Speech
Job 38:35 35 Can you send forth lightnings, that they may go and say to you, ‘Here we are’?
The Bible is saying you can use electricity to send messages and lightning also generates radio waves.
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This one is particularly impressive because I cannot think of what else it might mean
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I am a Christian, but please believe me when I say I am only looking for information here because I am studying this topic concerning Science and the Bible.
Hydrological Cycle
Ecclesiastes 1:7 7All streams run to the sea, but the sea is not full; to the place where the streams flow,
there they flow again.
Passer wrote:Cito di Pense wrote:Passer wrote:I don't have a problem with the above not being what the video says they are about. I am merely hoping for some other interpretation to them that's all. I suppose I was hoping that there would be a standard reply to them.
Really? You want somebody to interpret bible verses for you? You want somebody to interpret bible verses in a secular vein? Why? It's as if you're claiming you can't re-interpret them from inside your Christian cocoon, but that's just lazy.
I just cannot find an alternative interpretation for them. I don't think that is lazy, that's just not being able to figure something out.
Passer wrote:Cito di Pense wrote:Passer wrote:I don't have a problem with the above not being what the video says they are about. I am merely hoping for some other interpretation to them that's all. I suppose I was hoping that there would be a standard reply to them.
Really? You want somebody to interpret bible verses for you? You want somebody to interpret bible verses in a secular vein? Why? It's as if you're claiming you can't re-interpret them from inside your Christian cocoon, but that's just lazy.
I just cannot find an alternative interpretation for them. I don't think that is lazy, that's just not being able to figure something out. It might be me being dense on my part (wouldn't be the first), but not lazy. I could google it, but it is my experience that google is sometimes way too random with these things and was hoping I could get a direct route to a few good explanations here.
Cito di Pense wrote:Passer wrote:Cito di Pense wrote:Passer wrote:I don't have a problem with the above not being what the video says they are about. I am merely hoping for some other interpretation to them that's all. I suppose I was hoping that there would be a standard reply to them.
Really? You want somebody to interpret bible verses for you? You want somebody to interpret bible verses in a secular vein? Why? It's as if you're claiming you can't re-interpret them from inside your Christian cocoon, but that's just lazy.
I just cannot find an alternative interpretation for them. I don't think that is lazy, that's just not being able to figure something out. It might be me being dense on my part (wouldn't be the first), but not lazy. I could google it, but it is my experience that google is sometimes way too random with these things and was hoping I could get a direct route to a few good explanations here.
I doubt you 'cannot find' an 'alternate explanation'. You quit too soon. Interpretation is work you should be doing for yourself.
Why should you assume there's a more authoritative (or at least cogent) 'explanation' than google provides, just by asking a random question in an anonymous internet forum whose main function is entertainment? This place isn't a brain trust. I think you're just bored and looking for any kind of conversation. Well, you got it. Your question is bumped down a notch to insipid trolling in my book.
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