The creationist mind at work

Cognitive dissonance, FTW

Incl. intelligent design, belief in divine creation

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Re: The creationist mind at work

#101  Postby Keep It Real » Nov 01, 2017 12:05 am

Ah! No that was just a fly buzzing past my ear
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Re: The creationist mind at work

#102  Postby theropod » Nov 01, 2017 12:39 am

Keep It Real wrote:Silence please...no posts.


Fuck that. You don’t get to dictate when, or if, others post.

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Re: The creationist mind at work

#103  Postby Keep It Real » Nov 01, 2017 12:44 am

Just trying to provoke somebody into talking to me tbh : (
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Re: The creationist mind at work

#104  Postby theropod » Nov 01, 2017 12:48 am

Keep It Real wrote:Just trying to provoke somebody into talking to me tbh : (


Get help. Professional help.

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Re: The creationist mind at work

#105  Postby Keep It Real » Nov 01, 2017 12:51 am

I've tried. They've got nothing to offer me.
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Re: The creationist mind at work

#106  Postby Keep It Real » Nov 01, 2017 12:52 am

oh maybe you mean pro help? That's company...but then again there's no love so cancel that lol
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Re: The creationist mind at work

#107  Postby Keep It Real » Nov 01, 2017 12:56 am

Oi Shrunk do you actually give a fuck?
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Re: The creationist mind at work

#108  Postby Keep It Real » Nov 01, 2017 12:57 am

Only cowards/quitters don't give a fuck.
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Re: The creationist mind at work

#109  Postby sdelsolray » Nov 01, 2017 1:05 am

Smarmy dude. Not even entertaining.
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#110  Postby Keep It Real » Nov 01, 2017 1:08 am

Fuck entertaining. Is horror entertaining?
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Re: The creationist mind at work

#111  Postby Keep It Real » Nov 01, 2017 1:20 am

pussies pussies everywhere...and but still though do I care? I'll never give up. Did you give up shrunkipoos? Or maybe you've always repped the tony blair thing where you conside yourself to be the most important thing in the world...well I've got just one word for you. Soldiers.
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Re: The creationist mind at work

#112  Postby kiore » Nov 01, 2017 2:45 am

Keep It Real wrote:pussies pussies everywhere...and but still though do I care? I'll never give up. Did you give up shrunkipoos? Or maybe you've always repped the tony blair thing where you conside yourself to be the most important thing in the world...well I've got just one word for you. Soldiers.



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Re: The creationist mind at work

#113  Postby Thomas Eshuis » Nov 01, 2017 8:38 am

DavidMcC wrote:
Thomas Eshuis wrote:
DavidMcC wrote:
Shrunk wrote:

Not at all. It leaves the large number of people who believe in God, but who also accept all of the findings of science as complete unto themselves and feel no need to insert supernatural beings into science. That would include close to every single believer who is performing scientific research, if we judge by the work they publish. And, I suspect, it includes the majority of researchers, period.

Why would believers believe in a god that didn't create the world, etc? It wouldn't make any sense.

Tell that to poly- and pantheists.

There wouldn't be any point in that if they aren't creationist.

I was responding to the bolded bit, which said nothing about creationists.

DavidMcC wrote: The offending item was implying creationism, and, whilst it is not clear that all poly-theists believe in such creation,

Actually it's quite clear that they don't. See the Greek pantheon, Norse pantheon, just to name two.

DavidMcC wrote: I happen to know that polytheists tend to have an over-arching god, who did the creating. That was certainly the view of a now elderly Indian woman I knew well (she regularly cooked for me).

Ah yes and one person from one religion is sufficient basis to make generalising claims about all polytheistic religions of course.


DavidMcC wrote:I still think that all of theism has a creator-god at its heart, because that is the central issue in belief in god or gods - that the world, universe, or whatever, had to have a creator being, rather than a creating natural process.

But that's not the central issue about believing in gods.
The central issue is believing in supernatural entities called gods, which have different definitions depending on the specific god claim.
"Respect for personal beliefs = "I am going to tell you all what I think of YOU, but don't dare retort and tell what you think of ME because...it's my personal belief". Hmm. A bully's charter and no mistake."
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Re: The creationist mind at work

#114  Postby DavidMcC » Nov 01, 2017 11:43 am

Thomas Eshuis wrote:
DavidMcC wrote:
Thomas Eshuis wrote:
DavidMcC wrote:
Why would believers believe in a god that didn't create the world, etc? It wouldn't make any sense.

Tell that to poly- and pantheists.

There wouldn't be any point in that if they aren't creationist.

I was responding to the bolded bit, which said nothing about creationists.

DavidMcC wrote: The offending item was implying creationism, and, whilst it is not clear that all poly-theists believe in such creation,

Actually it's quite clear that they don't. See the Greek pantheon, Norse pantheon, just to name two.

DavidMcC wrote: I happen to know that polytheists tend to have an over-arching god, who did the creating. That was certainly the view of a now elderly Indian woman I knew well (she regularly cooked for me).

Ah yes and one person from one religion is sufficient basis to make generalising claims about all polytheistic religions of course.


DavidMcC wrote:I still think that all of theism has a creator-god at its heart, because that is the central issue in belief in god or gods - that the world, universe, or whatever, had to have a creator being, rather than a creating natural process.

But that's not the central issue about believing in gods.
The central issue is believing in supernatural entities called gods, which have different definitions depending on the specific god claim.

At one level, perthaps, but if you delve a little deeper, you find that the reason that supernatural entities are invoked in the first place is as an "explanation" of the existence of the world, etc.
Also, please show documentary evidence that none the Norse gods were deemed to have created the world. There would only have had to be one.
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Re: The creationist mind at work

#115  Postby Sendraks » Nov 01, 2017 11:59 am

DavidMcC wrote:
Also, please show documentary evidence that none the Norse gods were deemed to have created the world. There would only have had to be one.


Norse mythology is complicated. The Norse Gods did create the world of midgard where humanity resided but, the mythology has the cosmos and creatures from which the gods were born (the giants), as existing prior to the gods themselves. The giants themselves were in turn created from the homelands of elemental fire and ice, which just existed. Compared to xianist creationism which credits God with everything, the Norse mythology is more modest in the powers and behaviours of its gods and simply assumes that there was a cosmological framework for the gods to come to exist in, rather than the gods themselves having created it.

And the creation of midgard itself was the altogether more modest action of the gods killing the giant Ymir and his enormous body being the mass from which the land of midgard formed.
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Re: The creationist mind at work

#116  Postby DavidMcC » Nov 01, 2017 12:18 pm

I'll take your word for that, Sendraks! :thumbup:
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Re: The creationist mind at work

#117  Postby Sendraks » Nov 01, 2017 12:23 pm

You don't need to take my word for it, you can look it up, as I did.
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Re: The creationist mind at work

#118  Postby DavidMcC » Nov 01, 2017 12:33 pm

Sendraks, it doesn't matter enough to me that I would go to that much trouble, when you have obviously already done the work. :thumbup:
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Re: The creationist mind at work

#119  Postby Sendraks » Nov 01, 2017 12:35 pm

Cheers David!
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Re: The creationist mind at work

#120  Postby Thomas Eshuis » Nov 01, 2017 2:22 pm

DavidMcC wrote:
Thomas Eshuis wrote:
DavidMcC wrote:
Thomas Eshuis wrote:
Tell that to poly- and pantheists.

There wouldn't be any point in that if they aren't creationist.

I was responding to the bolded bit, which said nothing about creationists.

DavidMcC wrote: The offending item was implying creationism, and, whilst it is not clear that all poly-theists believe in such creation,

Actually it's quite clear that they don't. See the Greek pantheon, Norse pantheon, just to name two.

DavidMcC wrote: I happen to know that polytheists tend to have an over-arching god, who did the creating. That was certainly the view of a now elderly Indian woman I knew well (she regularly cooked for me).

Ah yes and one person from one religion is sufficient basis to make generalising claims about all polytheistic religions of course.


DavidMcC wrote:I still think that all of theism has a creator-god at its heart, because that is the central issue in belief in god or gods - that the world, universe, or whatever, had to have a creator being, rather than a creating natural process.

But that's not the central issue about believing in gods.
The central issue is believing in supernatural entities called gods, which have different definitions depending on the specific god claim.

At one level, perthaps, but if you delve a little deeper, you find that the reason that supernatural entities are invoked in the first place is as an "explanation" of the existence of the world, etc.

You're begging the question that people have always assumed the world/universe required an explanation and not just the events in it.
Many polytheistic gods are just natural processes like the weather, death, love, etc.


DavidMcC wrote:Also, please show documentary evidence that none the Norse gods were deemed to have created the world. There would only have had to be one.

Firstly I don't have to defend straw-men.
Secondly your assertion was that it wouldn't make sense for people to believe in gods that haven't created the world. The Norse pantheon is full of gods that had nothing to do with the creation of the world.
"Respect for personal beliefs = "I am going to tell you all what I think of YOU, but don't dare retort and tell what you think of ME because...it's my personal belief". Hmm. A bully's charter and no mistake."
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