Cognitive dissonance, FTW
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DavidMcC wrote:Thomas Eshuis wrote:DavidMcC wrote:Shrunk wrote:
Not at all. It leaves the large number of people who believe in God, but who also accept all of the findings of science as complete unto themselves and feel no need to insert supernatural beings into science. That would include close to every single believer who is performing scientific research, if we judge by the work they publish. And, I suspect, it includes the majority of researchers, period.
Why would believers believe in a god that didn't create the world, etc? It wouldn't make any sense.
Tell that to poly- and pantheists.
There wouldn't be any point in that if they aren't creationist.
DavidMcC wrote: The offending item was implying creationism, and, whilst it is not clear that all poly-theists believe in such creation,
DavidMcC wrote: I happen to know that polytheists tend to have an over-arching god, who did the creating. That was certainly the view of a now elderly Indian woman I knew well (she regularly cooked for me).
DavidMcC wrote:I still think that all of theism has a creator-god at its heart, because that is the central issue in belief in god or gods - that the world, universe, or whatever, had to have a creator being, rather than a creating natural process.
Thomas Eshuis wrote:
I was responding to the bolded bit, which said nothing about creationists.DavidMcC wrote: The offending item was implying creationism, and, whilst it is not clear that all poly-theists believe in such creation,
Actually it's quite clear that they don't. See the Greek pantheon, Norse pantheon, just to name two.DavidMcC wrote: I happen to know that polytheists tend to have an over-arching god, who did the creating. That was certainly the view of a now elderly Indian woman I knew well (she regularly cooked for me).
Ah yes and one person from one religion is sufficient basis to make generalising claims about all polytheistic religions of course.DavidMcC wrote:I still think that all of theism has a creator-god at its heart, because that is the central issue in belief in god or gods - that the world, universe, or whatever, had to have a creator being, rather than a creating natural process.
But that's not the central issue about believing in gods.
The central issue is believing in supernatural entities called gods, which have different definitions depending on the specific god claim.
DavidMcC wrote:
Also, please show documentary evidence that none the Norse gods were deemed to have created the world. There would only have had to be one.
DavidMcC wrote:Thomas Eshuis wrote:
I was responding to the bolded bit, which said nothing about creationists.DavidMcC wrote: The offending item was implying creationism, and, whilst it is not clear that all poly-theists believe in such creation,
Actually it's quite clear that they don't. See the Greek pantheon, Norse pantheon, just to name two.DavidMcC wrote: I happen to know that polytheists tend to have an over-arching god, who did the creating. That was certainly the view of a now elderly Indian woman I knew well (she regularly cooked for me).
Ah yes and one person from one religion is sufficient basis to make generalising claims about all polytheistic religions of course.DavidMcC wrote:I still think that all of theism has a creator-god at its heart, because that is the central issue in belief in god or gods - that the world, universe, or whatever, had to have a creator being, rather than a creating natural process.
But that's not the central issue about believing in gods.
The central issue is believing in supernatural entities called gods, which have different definitions depending on the specific god claim.
At one level, perthaps, but if you delve a little deeper, you find that the reason that supernatural entities are invoked in the first place is as an "explanation" of the existence of the world, etc.
DavidMcC wrote:Also, please show documentary evidence that none the Norse gods were deemed to have created the world. There would only have had to be one.
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