SafeAsMilk wrote:

kyrani99 wrote:

Shrunk wrote:Right. Someone who had the ability to cure cancer wouldn't be able to make nickel off this if he was telling the truth.

YOU fail to understand the point I am making. Spontaneous remission is effected BY THE BODY and requires NO medical treatment of any sort. THERE IS NO MONEY IN IT!

I'm sorry, nobody believes in your "cure cancer by thinking it away" method, which is exactly what you claim, despite your repeated attempts to say that's not your claim, which you then always follow it up with a statement that can be summed up as "you think cancer away". Every single time.

We're talking about a real cure for cancer.

kyrani99 wrote:

Agrippina wrote:So you weren't saying that she brought this illness on herself when you said this:

kyrani99 wrote:Your sister can get well, if she is willing to consider with an open mind, the effects of ideas and beliefs in creating bodily reactivity.

You fail to understand the significance here OR you are just playing at the negative games that I see skeptics play to try and dismiss something they don't like, which doesn't fit their worldview.

If the problem is the result of the person's own reactions then IT IS IN THEIR POWER TO GET RID OF IT.
They only need to recognize that the ideas and manufactured beliefs were bogus, a hoax by some toxic piece of rubbish and the group of toxic people they employ to help them carry out the foul game play. And furthermore to recognize that the fear reaction or heat /high energy they feel in their body is UNRELATED, also a hoax. Once they see that, once they have an ah ha experience the show is over. THEIR BODY does the work in reversing the changes and removing the excesses. Thus they experience a spontaneous remission.

kyrani99 wrote:Your response however seems enigmatic.
Don't presume to tell me what serious illness is about. I have known serious illness, stage 4 ovarian cancer with metastasis to the uterus, cervix, bowel and both lungs. And I had been told by doctors that there is really no treatment other than palliative. That I should get my things in order because I had six months to a year to live. That was in 1993. In mid 1994 about a year later the medical tests confirmed NO EVIDENCE OF DISEASE.

Agrippina wrote:Which means the disease wasn't there in the first place. Funny how doctors can admit they were wrong.

This only shows you don't understand what doctors are saying. They never want to use the word "cure" because they see too many cases where they claim "the cancer has come back" so they talk about "no evidence of disease".

Agrippina wrote:Or some other agent interfered in the reversal of your illness, your deity perhaps [/sarcasm]

This is the usual claim by all those who support the medical paradigm.

kyrani99 wrote:I could have given up hope and died but instead I investigated how I could survive and I had the first spontaneous remission.

Agrippina wrote:i.e. you thought it away!

No. The "thought it away" is the bullshit that is claimed when skeptics want to deny the fact that the patient has a body and the body does the job. And furthermore to deny the fact that the body is PURPOSE-DRIVEN and NOT A MACHINE!

I followed my intuition and moved a long way away from where I was. I didn't understand the significance of at the time.
Now I realized that I had moved out of and away from the toxic people who were trying to kill me, which is what I needed to do at that time because I had not understood anything of the foul game play. Now I don't need to move away as I realize that the foul game play is just a load of rubbish.

kyrani99 wrote:

Shrunk wrote:
The point you are trying to make is that these spontaneous remissions are not really spontaneous but, rather, are evidence that cancer is actually caused by nefarious individuals sending psychic death rays out to innocent victims. We continue to await your substantiation of this claim.

These are just ideas you fancifully entertain.. LIES! I have never claimed anything about psychic death rays. Psychic death rays, IMO, are bullshit.

kyrani99 wrote: http://www.noetic.org/research/projects ... ssion/faqs The reason has to do with money. There is no money in remission. What oncologist is going to advise a patient in a way that puts him or her out of business? And what drug company is going to fund the research that does not bring profits?

Shrunk wrote:Right. Someone who had the ability to cure cancer wouldn't be able to make nickel off this if he was telling the truth.

YOU fail to understand the point I am making. Spontaneous remission is effected BY THE BODY and requires NO medical treatment of any sort. THERE IS NO MONEY IN IT!

Shrunk wrote:Meanwhile, here's an example of someone who made hundreds of thousands of dollars just by claiming he could cure cancer, even though he was lying about that:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burzynski ... _Burzynski

The Burzynski treatment is only chemotherapy by another name. He is not doing anything different than other oncologists, only that he has gained a lot of attention because he is being attacked. He is only name alternative because he his not offering treatment according to the guidelines for standard of care. But he is really part of the same system, the system that says disease is caused by physical causes and thus justifies the claim that it requires treatment by physical means, which is bullshit.

kyrani99 wrote:Only you omit to say that every doctor needs patients to stay in business and every oncologist needs cancer patients to continue to make huge sums of money.

SafeAsMilk wrote:They'd be guaranteed a flood of patients, having the cure for cancer and all. Who's going to say no to that? Certainly not the people who say no to treatment because of how much pain and suffering the current method causes them. Your conspiracy has no legs.

kyrani99 wrote:

kyrani99 wrote:Only you omit to say that every doctor needs patients to stay in business and every oncologist needs cancer patients to continue to make huge sums of money.

SafeAsMilk wrote:They'd be guaranteed a flood of patients, having the cure for cancer and all. Who's going to say no to that? Certainly not the people who say no to treatment because of how much pain and suffering the current method causes them. Your conspiracy has no legs.

MY LEGS: THERE IS NO CURE.

Spontaneous remission is the result of the body reversing the cancer and clearing away the excess cells, which happens when a person stops reacting to negative ideas... STOPS REACTING MEANS THEIR BODY STOPS REACTING!

THERE IS NO MONEY TO BE MADE. People wake up to the truth and are thus able to maintain their health, even under the worst conditions.

kyrani99 wrote:

SafeAsMilk wrote:

kyrani99 wrote:

Shrunk wrote:Right. Someone who had the ability to cure cancer wouldn't be able to make nickel off this if he was telling the truth.

YOU fail to understand the point I am making. Spontaneous remission is effected BY THE BODY and requires NO medical treatment of any sort. THERE IS NO MONEY IN IT!

I'm sorry, nobody believes in your "cure cancer by thinking it away" method, which is exactly what you claim, despite your repeated attempts to say that's not your claim, which you then always follow it up with a statement that can be summed up as "you think cancer away". Every single time.

We're talking about a real cure for cancer.

Lies. NO statement I make amounts to "thinking it away"... NONE!

The body does the job. There is no thinking it away bullshit that you are talking about.

Shrunk wrote:
The point you are trying to make is that these spontaneous remissions are not really spontaneous but, rather, are evidence that cancer is actually caused by nefarious individuals sending psychic death rays out to innocent victims. We continue to await your substantiation of this claim.

kyrani99 wrote:These are just ideas you fancifully entertain.. LIES! I have never claimed anything about psychic death rays. Psychic death rays, IMO, are bullshit.

Shrunk wrote:"Psychic death rays" is my own term for the fictitious phenomenon you are attempting to describe. I believe it is an apt and accurate term. Since you claim to be fluent in no languages, including English, I am probably better able to judge that than you.

kyrani99 wrote: http://www.noetic.org/research/projects ... ssion/faqs The reason has to do with money. There is no money in remission. What oncologist is going to advise a patient in a way that puts him or her out of business? And what drug company is going to fund the research that does not bring profits?

Shrunk wrote:Right. Someone who had the ability to cure cancer wouldn't be able to make nickel off this if he was telling the truth.

kyrani99 wrote: YOU fail to understand the point I am making. Spontaneous remission is effected BY THE BODY and requires NO medical treatment of any sort. THERE IS NO MONEY IN IT!

Shrunk wrote:Meanwhile, here's an example of someone who made hundreds of thousands of dollars just by claiming he could cure cancer, even though he was lying about that:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burzynski ... _Burzynski
The Burzynski treatment is only chemotherapy by another name. He is not doing anything different than other oncologists, only that he has gained a lot of attention because he is being attacked. He is only name alternative because he his not offering treatment according to the guidelines for standard of care. But he is really part of the same system, the system that says disease is caused by physical causes and thus justifies the claim that it requires treatment by physical means, which is bullshit.

Again, your claim was that there is no money in remissions. Burzynski's example shows there is quite a lot of money to be made in promising remissions, even when those promises are false.

kyrani99 wrote:

Shrunk wrote:
The point you are trying to make is that these spontaneous remissions are not really spontaneous but, rather, are evidence that cancer is actually caused by nefarious individuals sending psychic death rays out to innocent victims. We continue to await your substantiation of this claim.

kyrani99 wrote:These are just ideas you fancifully entertain.. LIES! I have never claimed anything about psychic death rays. Psychic death rays, IMO, are bullshit.

Shrunk wrote:"Psychic death rays" is my own term for the fictitious phenomenon you are attempting to describe. I believe it is an apt and accurate term. Since you claim to be fluent in no languages, including English, I am probably better able to judge that than you.

Nocebo effect is not a fictitious phenomenon.

kyrani99 wrote:

kyrani99 wrote:Only you omit to say that every doctor needs patients to stay in business and every oncologist needs cancer patients to continue to make huge sums of money.

SafeAsMilk wrote:They'd be guaranteed a flood of patients, having the cure for cancer and all. Who's going to say no to that? Certainly not the people who say no to treatment because of how much pain and suffering the current method causes them. Your conspiracy has no legs.

MY LEGS: THERE IS NO CURE.

Spontaneous remission is the result of the body reversing the cancer and clearing away the excess cells, which happens when a person stops reacting to negative ideas... STOPS REACTING MEANS THEIR BODY STOPS REACTING!

THERE IS NO MONEY TO BE MADE. People wake up to the truth and are thus able to maintain their health, even under the worst conditions.

kyrani99 wrote:MY LEGS: THERE IS NO CURE.

Spontaneous remission is the result of the body reversing the cancer and clearing away the excess cells, which happens when a person stops reacting to negative ideas... STOPS REACTING MEANS THEIR BODY STOPS REACTING!

THERE IS NO MONEY TO BE MADE. People wake up to the truth and are thus able to maintain their health, even under the worst conditions.

Shrunk wrote:Sure there is money to be made. If what you said was true, there would be a market for experts who can teach people how to do this. But, since your claim is bullshit....

Shrunk wrote:

kyrani99 wrote:

Shrunk wrote:
The point you are trying to make is that these spontaneous remissions are not really spontaneous but, rather, are evidence that cancer is actually caused by nefarious individuals sending psychic death rays out to innocent victims. We continue to await your substantiation of this claim.

kyrani99 wrote:These are just ideas you fancifully entertain.. LIES! I have never claimed anything about psychic death rays. Psychic death rays, IMO, are bullshit.

Shrunk wrote:"Psychic death rays" is my own term for the fictitious phenomenon you are attempting to describe. I believe it is an apt and accurate term. Since you claim to be fluent in no languages, including English, I am probably better able to judge that than you.

Nocebo effect is not a fictitious phenomenon.

I didn't say it was. It's your cancer causing psychic death rays that are fictitious.

kyrani99 wrote: Nocebo effect is what I am talking about.

Shrunk wrote:
Why do I have to explain your own beliefs to you?

SafeAsMilk wrote:The mind isn't in the brain now? Way to shit on any credibility you may have had left

kyrani99 wrote:

SafeAsMilk wrote:The mind isn't in the brain now? Way to shit on any credibility you may have had left

IMO this is the claim of mediocrity , who fail to see outside the box.

I agree with Prof. Roger Penrose, a mathematician with radical new ideas.
He doesn't go as far as myself in defining the non-physical /information realm
as the mind and a realm outside of the physical/non-physical as that of conscious being,
nonetheless at least he sees a non-physical realm of information.

"Many philosophers, and others, would argue that mathematics consists
merely of idealised mental concepts, and, if the world of mathematics
is to be regarded as arising ultimately from our minds, then we have
reached a circularity: our minds arise from the functioning of our physical brains,
and the very precise physical laws that underlie that functioning
are grounded in the mathematics that requires our brains for its existence.

My own position is to avoid this immediate paradox by allowing the
Platonic mathematical world its own timeless and locationless existence,
while allowing it to be accessible to us through mental activity.
My viewpoint allows for three different kinds of reality:
the physical, the mental and the Platonic-mathematical,
with something (as yet) profoundly mysterious in the relations between the three.

We do not properly understand why it is that physical behavior is
mirrored so precisely within the Platonic world, nor do we have much
understanding of how conscious mentality seems to arise when physical material,
such as that found in wakeful healthy human brains, is organized in just the
right way. Nor do we really understand how it is that consciousness, when
directed towards the understanding of mathematical problems, is capable
of divining mathematical truth. What does this tell us about the nature of
physical reality? It tells us that we cannot properly address the question of
that reality without understanding its connection with the other two realities:
conscious mentality and the wonderful world of mathematics."
New Scientist, November 18{24 2006

ScholasticSpastic wrote:

Shrunk wrote:
Why do I have to explain your own beliefs to you?

Well, someone has to think these things through.

kyrani99 wrote:

SafeAsMilk wrote:The mind isn't in the brain now? Way to shit on any credibility you may have had left

IMO this is the claim of mediocrity , who fail to see outside the box.

I agree with Prof. Roger Penrose, a mathematician with radical new ideas.
He doesn't go as far as myself in defining the non-physical /information realm
as the mind and a realm outside of the physical/non-physical as that of conscious being,
nonetheless at least he sees a non-physical realm of information.

"Many philosophers, and others, would argue that mathematics consists
merely of idealised mental concepts, and, if the world of mathematics
is to be regarded as arising ultimately from our minds, then we have
reached a circularity: our minds arise from the functioning of our physical brains,
and the very precise physical laws that underlie that functioning
are grounded in the mathematics that requires our brains for its existence.

My own position is to avoid this immediate paradox by allowing the
Platonic mathematical world its own timeless and locationless existence,
while allowing it to be accessible to us through mental activity.
My viewpoint allows for three different kinds of reality:
the physical, the mental and the Platonic-mathematical,
with something (as yet) profoundly mysterious in the relations between the three.

We do not properly understand why it is that physical behavior is
mirrored so precisely within the Platonic world, nor do we have much
understanding of how conscious mentality seems to arise when physical material,
such as that found in wakeful healthy human brains, is organized in just the
right way. Nor do we really understand how it is that consciousness, when
directed towards the understanding of mathematical problems, is capable
of divining mathematical truth. What does this tell us about the nature of
physical reality? It tells us that we cannot properly address the question of
that reality without understanding its connection with the other two realities:
conscious mentality and the wonderful world of mathematics."
New Scientist, November 18{24 2006

Shrunk wrote:

kyrani99 wrote: Nocebo effect is what I am talking about.

No, it isn't. The term "nocebo effect" makes no reference to illness caused by the influence of "toxic people". Also, significantly, the nocebo effect by definition depends on the patient believing they are being given a drug or other substance, even though they are not. Your psychic death rays, you claim, work even when the person is not aware of the existence of the "toxic people".

Why do I have to explain your own beliefs to you?