The most shocking thing a creationist has ever done!

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Re: The most shocking thing a creationist has ever done!

#61  Postby Shrunk » Sep 17, 2013 3:21 pm

Jonathan McLatchie wrote:@Shrunk,

Regarding the claim that the concept of specified complexity is meaningless, I suggest you read my blog post here:

http://www.evolutionnews.org/2013/08/tw ... 75771.html


I don't know if Jonathan will be rejoining us. However, I thought this article of his is interesting enough to warrant a thread of its own:

http://www.rationalskepticism.org/creat ... 41581.html
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Re: The most shocking thing a creationist has ever done!

#62  Postby Shrunk » Aug 22, 2015 5:37 pm

Commentators on Sandwalk have brought attention to the fact that McLatchie's article cited in the OP is now two years old and it is still up. The only concession being an easily overlooked link at the top mentioning "an important correction and revision." No mention on the page itself that McLatchie has himself admitted the entire premise of his claim is wrong. Which is probably why creationists are still citing this article to claim that the GULOP gene is functional in humans.
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Re: The most shocking thing a creationist has ever done!

#63  Postby THWOTH » Aug 22, 2015 6:59 pm

So it goes; so it goes. :roll:
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Re: The most shocking thing a creationist has ever done!

#64  Postby Made of Stars » Aug 22, 2015 10:46 pm

Let's remember it's proper name, so as not to inadvertently buy into the PR program: It's intelligent design creationism.
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Re: The most shocking thing a creationist has ever done!

#65  Postby Oldskeptic » Aug 23, 2015 2:05 am

What I find ridiculous is that the Discovery Institute backed away from the Dover trial because they were afraid that it would expose intelligent design as religiously motivated. It reminds me of toddlers that put their hands over their eyes and think no one can see them. The idea that the Discovery Institute hasn't been blatantly religiously motivated from its inception is laughable. Who are they trying to convince? Surely not all those religious people that financially support them. It's like they think it takes a secret decoder ring to decipher their message and agenda. It's as if they live in some fantasy where the Wedge strategy Document is still top secret and hasn't been distributed.
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Re: The most shocking thing a creationist has ever done!

#66  Postby THWOTH » Aug 23, 2015 9:45 pm

The disingenuousness is strong in the Discovery Institute...

discovery.org wrote:It's a policy here to deal charitably and give critics the benefit of the doubt, as far as we can do so. Notably, when opponents repeatedly say things they should know by now to be untrue, having been corrected on them multiple times, we prefer to call that a "misunderstanding," a "failure to grasp the truth of the matter," an "error," "goof," or "blunder," not a lie. We like to say it's a result of their being naïve, deluded, uninformed, not dishonest.

http://www.evolutionnews.org/2015/05/ad ... 96271.html
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Re: The most shocking thing a creationist has ever done!

#67  Postby bert » Aug 24, 2015 4:14 pm

The farce is strong?

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Re: The most shocking thing a creationist has ever done!

#68  Postby Shrunk » Aug 24, 2015 4:30 pm

THWOTH wrote:The disingenuousness is strong in the Discovery Institute...

discovery.org wrote:It's a policy here to deal charitably and give critics the benefit of the doubt, as far as we can do so. Notably, when opponents repeatedly say things they should know by now to be untrue, having been corrected on them multiple times, we prefer to call that a "misunderstanding," a "failure to grasp the truth of the matter," an "error," "goof," or "blunder," not a lie. We like to say it's a result of their being naïve, deluded, uninformed, not dishonest.

http://www.evolutionnews.org/2015/05/ad ... 96271.html


Well, that's very nice of them. However, to say the words and actions of the DI do not demonstrate dishonesty on their part when all evidence points to the opposite conclusion would be, well, dishonest.
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Re: The most shocking thing a creationist has ever done!

#69  Postby Rumraket » Aug 26, 2015 4:38 pm

THWOTH wrote:The disingenuousness is strong in the Discovery Institute...

discovery.org wrote:It's a policy here to deal charitably and give critics the benefit of the doubt, as far as we can do so. Notably, when opponents repeatedly say things they should know by now to be untrue, having been corrected on them multiple times, we prefer to call that a "misunderstanding," a "failure to grasp the truth of the matter," an "error," "goof," or "blunder," not a lie. We like to say it's a result of their being naïve, deluded, uninformed, not dishonest.

http://www.evolutionnews.org/2015/05/ad ... 96271.html

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Re: The most shocking thing a creationist has ever done!

#70  Postby Shrunk » May 07, 2017 7:33 pm

Jonthan McLatchie turned up in my Facebook feed, so I was reminded of this thread and decided to check. Yes, the article is still up, with no retraction other than the link to the 2nd article.
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Re: The most shocking thing a creationist has ever done!

#71  Postby Calilasseia » May 07, 2017 9:10 pm

So McLatchie claims that there is "evidence" for "design"? Interesting.

Does he know what it takes to convert the "design" assertion into something other than a blind assertion? Let's see if he can answer this. Don't give him any hints, I want to see if he can work this out for himself.
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Re: The most shocking thing a creationist has ever done!

#72  Postby Teague » Jan 16, 2018 6:01 pm

Jonathan McLatchie wrote:@Weaver:

No, the Discovery Institute attempted, unsuccessfully, to persuade the Dover school board not to go through with what they were doing. It has been Discovery's long time education policy to oppose attempts to mandate the teaching of ID in public schools. The foolish actions of the Dover school board did a lot of damage, and we saw an intense spike in academic persecution of ID scientists following 2005.

As to my approach, I seek to determine the most natural interpretation of the scientific evidence. I think there are clear hallmarks of design in biology, but I would be inclined to affirm the proposition of common ancestry, for reasons I'm happy to go into.


Except you have no basis on which to apply your "design" theory and teach it as fact. Put it this way, by allowing your guys to teach "ID" you open the floodgates for every other psuedo science to come in and have a go to.

Not only that, but you're coming from a position that you are right, I assume? However, you do not know that you even have a case to make.

So the question left is, why should we allow people to teach theories they've thought up in their heads that have no supporting evidence to even say they're correct.

Schooling is precious time for students and as we discover more, they need to learn more. What good is there teaching them something that you yourself can't even demonstrate in the slightest to be true and yet think you should get time over everyone else and over every other religion?

If you were genuinely concerned about education, you'd be against putting anything into the curriculum that wasn't fact based.
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Re: The most shocking thing a creationist has ever done!

#73  Postby Teague » Jan 16, 2018 6:10 pm

OK so I assumed this was a new thread.... :oops:
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