Why stevebee is wrong

lucek · **#5861** by **lucek** » Sep 25, 2013 6:20 pm

stevebee92653 wrote:
lucek said:
Given no such person exists I don't know. At every part of the process I didn't hide my identity. Also I wasn't trying to find out if there was a real person but if the review was legit. I was looking up the person and still waiting on a response one way or the other actually hold on, nope still no reply. Honestly I'm not surprised. Language barrior and all might have made it hard or even ended up with my Email in spam filter.

Your sleuthing is really getting bad. The people at The Sensuous Curmudgeon (p. 26) found him but you couldn't? Back to sleuthing school for you! I can't imaging why you would waste your time anyway. Are you really that desperate?

The hell are you on about.

Thomas Eshuis · **#5862** by **Thomas Eshuis** » Sep 25, 2013 8:31 pm

stevebee92653 wrote:
Thomas Eshuis wrote:
stevebee92653 wrote:
Thomas Eshuis said:
Again Steve, you not liking the answer given to you doesn't change the fact that an answer has been given to you.

Your friends answered some question. But not my question. Maybe you can figure out what question they answered!

Maybe you can stop pretending and start adressing the issue seriously?

Pretending? I don't pretend.

You do.
You ask questions, which would imply an interest in the answer, but when answers are given you either wilfully ignore them or dismiss them out of hand because you don't like them.

stevebee92653 wrote:I am a ratskep liar who deserves derision.

Regurgitating this persecution fantasy ad-nauseam won't get you anywhere.

stevebee92653 wrote:This is an excellent question. Don't you know that all evolutionauts here deride people who question evolution, and all anti-evos are liars in this world?

No, since there aren't any 'evolutionauts' and no-one's being called a liar for questioning evolution.
That's all your own fantastical and lying product.

stevebee92653 wrote:All answers are acceptable as long as they are pro-evolution.

More lies.
They're acceptable as long as they're rationally and evidentially supported.

stevebee92653 wrote:None are challenged or even critiqued by fellow evo-believers.

More lies of which it has already been pointed out to you that they are lies.

stevebee92653 wrote: What issue is ever addressed here beside derision? I can't imagine what you are referring to.

Still operating under the delusion that the world operates in accordance with your personal credulity, I see. :nono:

theropod · **#5863** by **theropod** » Sep 25, 2013 9:12 pm

Something Steve really can't seem to get past, or even begin to talk about, is the mass of evidence supporting the fact that birds are theropod dinosaurs, and we can trace the evolutionary pathways over time to support this. These facts are constantly being confirmed by ongoing research, and the discovery of more and more diverse specimens of early theropods like I posted to the thread (Birds are Theropods) recently. Those air sac/flow through lungs were a shared trait between the maniraptors and other theropods. The bones of these animals clearly show a pneumatic system of skeletal ventilation was well developed BEFORE true birds arose. How the fuck is that possible?

Of course gawd, or the IIDDIIOOTT designer of the day, planned it that way all along. Start off hopping around after bugs, grow a few feathers and the next hing you know there's a hummingbird. Just sprinkle in a mass extinction or two, several hundred million years of imperfect replication, the rise of angiosperms and nature selecting for what works. Hummingbird design a la cart! :nono:

Come on Steve, we know you know better than this shit, and are really just pimping your vanity work just to make a buck. It's OK. I've thought about writing a anti-evo book using my paleo background, but I just don't have the stones to pull it off. Congrats on your angle. I hope you draw a lot of money away from the creation museum and other shitholes of funditeism. There's no reason you can't rank up there with the heavy hitters like Hamm. Maybe you could get Kirk Cameron to give you a review. Hell, make it up if you can't get him to do it. Just remember us when you get to the top, please.

RS

Thomas Eshuis · **#5864** by **Thomas Eshuis** » Sep 25, 2013 9:18 pm

Well it is hard to do research from under a bridge after all.

stevebee92653 · **#5865** by **stevebee92653** » Sep 25, 2013 10:08 pm

theropod wrote:Something Steve really can't seem to get past, or even begin to talk about, is the mass of evidence supporting the fact that birds are theropod dinosaurs, and we can trace the evolutionary pathways over time to support this. These facts are constantly being confirmed by ongoing research, and the discovery of more and more diverse specimens of early theropods like I posted to the thread (Birds are Theropods) recently. Those air sac/flow through lungs were a shared trait between the maniraptors and other theropods. The bones of these animals clearly show a pneumatic system of skeletal ventilation was well developed BEFORE true birds arose. How the fuck is that possible?

Of course gawd, or the IIDDIIOOTT designer of the day, planned it that way all along. Start off hopping around after bugs, grow a few feathers and the next hing you know there's a hummingbird. Just sprinkle in a mass extinction or two, several hundred million years of imperfect replication, the rise of angiosperms and nature selecting for what works. Hummingbird design a la cart!

Come on Steve, we know you know better than this shit, and are really just pimping your vanity work just to make a buck. It's OK. I've thought about writing a anti-evo book using my paleo background, but I just don't have the stones to pull it off. Congrats on your angle. I hope you draw a lot of money away from the creation museum and other shitholes of funditeism. There's no reason you can't rank up there with the heavy hitters like Hamm. Maybe you could get Kirk Cameron to give you a review. Hell, make it up if you can't get him to do it. Just remember us when you get to the top, please.

RS

I have a whole chapter on bird evolution in my book! You would love it. Except the book costs $15, and that would be like donating to the devil ... I mean Kirk. I do appreciate your unbelievably staunch belief in theropod to bird morphing though. It would seem that you are more than 100% sure.Me? Somewhere around 0%. Eye of the beholder here, I guess. Also, good strategy on your continuing to try to tie me to Creationists. Except didn't you know that has been done on this thread dozens of times? 8-)

lucek · **#5866** by **lucek** » Sep 25, 2013 11:07 pm

stevebee92653 wrote:I have a whole chapter on bird evolution in my book! You would love it. Except the book costs $15, and that would be like donating to the devil ... I mean Kirk. I do appreciate your unbelievably staunch belief in theropod to bird morphing though. It would seem that you are more than 100% sure.Me? Somewhere around 0%. Eye of the beholder here, I guess. Also, good strategy on your continuing to try to tie me to Creationists. Except didn't you know that has been done on this thread dozens of times?

Um Steve. We've read good chunks of your book. We have a good sense of your understanding form your blog and here. And finally we know that composing you book you didn't take into account one word said by anyone you talked to here.

Btw Steve you are talking about your book. We can read in your book (even the free chapters) your connection to creationism.

tolman · **#5867** by **tolman** » Sep 25, 2013 11:13 pm

stevebee92653 wrote:I have a whole chapter on bird evolution in my book! You would love it. Except the book costs $15, and that would be like donating to the devil.

A whole chapter from someone with a sad and long public history for producing writing full of willing ignorance and shitty misrepresentation.
Who could possibly resist that?

Don't flatter yourself, you're no devil.
The mythical devil is a master of confusion, who can make all kinds of people believe and do terrible things, and who can generate emotions other than pity and contempt.

lucek · **#5868** by **lucek** » Sep 25, 2013 11:20 pm

Speaking of your book what happened to the sellers? You had a few non amazon sellers now you don't. Were they not impressed enough with your 900,000+ Best Sellers Rank to reorder their stock?

theropod · **#5869** by **theropod** » Sep 26, 2013 12:35 am

stevebee92653 wrote:I have a whole chapter on bird evolution in my book! You would love it.

Great, why not list you citations here so we can discuss the evidence that supports your views?

Except the book costs $15, and that would be like donating to the devil ... I mean Kirk.

I can't get a forum member discount? I might actually buy your book if you gave us some info like the references you've used (see above)

I do appreciate your unbelievably staunch belief in theropod to bird morphing though.

No, Steve, I have looked at the evidence for a good number of years, and some of that evidence was first hand examination of the fossils. All the evidence presented to date only supports that view. Rather than just wipe your ass with that work why not actually, you know, present some supporting your position.

It would seem that you are more than 100% sure.

No. I just haven't seen any counter claims that can withstand close examination.

Me? Somewhere around 0%.

and you many years of dedicated field, lab and descriptive work in paleontology have been done where, when?

Who gives a fuck if someone as ignorant of these issues as you seem to be has a 0% accpetance rate for empirical evidence?

Eye of the beholder here, I guess.

Words of the credulous is more apt, it seems.

Also, good strategy on your continuing to try to tie me to Creationists. Except didn't you know that has been done on this thread dozens of times?

An oldie but a goodie eh Steve? If the shit stinks you have probably posted even more of your worthless tripe. Even your IDIOT version of design requires a designer, so your creationism denial is all the funnier every time you trot it out.

Pffft, surely you can do better than this, Steve.

RS

ADParker · **#5870** by **ADParker** » Sep 26, 2013 1:38 am

stevebee92653 wrote:I do appreciate your unbelievably staunch belief in theropod to bird morphing though. It would seem that you are more than 100% sure.Me? Somewhere around 0%.

At least it is mildly amusing to see stevebee92653 try to mock anyone who doesn't buy his IIDiotic story on the one had for being "100% sure" (even if he has to make that up [lie], as is the case here), and then on the other; mock just as hard anyone who uses words indicating less than dogmatic certainty; "probably...possibly..." :roll:

Both typical creationism apologetic tactics of course (another coincidence stevebee92653?) A sure sign that they have no interested in what is being argued, only in looking for any chance they can to mock and insult. :nono:

stevebee92653 · **#5871** by **stevebee92653** » Sep 26, 2013 1:41 am

lucek wrote:
stevebee92653 wrote:I have a whole chapter on bird evolution in my book! You would love it. Except the book costs $15, and that would be like donating to the devil ... I mean Kirk. I do appreciate your unbelievably staunch belief in theropod to bird morphing though. It would seem that you are more than 100% sure.Me? Somewhere around 0%. Eye of the beholder here, I guess. Also, good strategy on your continuing to try to tie me to Creationists. Except didn't you know that has been done on this thread dozens of times?

Um Steve. We've read good chunks of your book. We have a good sense of your understanding form your blog and here. And finally we know that composing you book you didn't take into account one word said by anyone you talked to here.

Btw Steve you are talking about your book. We can read in your book (even the free chapters) your connection to creationism.

Do you guys all read together in your groupthink group? See, I try to help you out by showing you how you are groupthinkers, and you never listen. You groupthink to such a degree that you are past being aware. You accept groupthought as your MO. A very strong sign of indoctrination.
For me to argue theropod/bird evolution would be a complete waste of time. You see any similarities that your trainers want you to see. You completely are blind to the massive differences, and the complete absurdity of the notion. Those teensy arms moved to the side of the animals, and became airfoil wings? Those huge legs turned into toothpick legs? Those huge thighs moved up next to the rib cage and under every birds skin and feathers? Gad, I could go on for hours. Why can't you? Why do you fall for such complete nonsense? Where is your skepticism? It's absurd, but you believe. And you always will I realize. So I am not hoping to even have a rational conversation about it. Belief is tough to debate.

Oldskeptic · **#5872** by **Oldskeptic** » Sep 26, 2013 2:45 am

stevebee92653 wrote:
Spearthrower wrote:
stevebee92653 wrote:
Oldskeptic wrote:Steve, what do you make of fossils that leave paleontologists wondering if it is a bird like dinosaur or a dinosaur like bird?

Or a mammal like reptile or a reptile like mammal?

Why would you ask, since what I say would fall on your pre-ordained brain? I would ask you to try to figure out the steps in the pathway from egg-laying procreation to uterine procreation/mammary feeding. And dinosaur to bird. You won't.

Why would we need to figure it out when there's already mountains of scientific papers on these transitions?

Oh and 'dinosaur to bird' is just a miscomprehension like 'ape to human' - birds are dinosaurs.

Incidentally, I think everyone noticed how you basically ignored the question, and ignored the fact that these fossils exist, and the fact that if you don't believe in evolution, you need to find a way to explain them that's consistent with whatever it is you think occurred (magic?).

Actually there are no fossils that show morphing from dino to mammals. The "mountains of papers" are pure bullshit. Feel free to read p. 5 on my blog. That is reality, so I am sure you won't want to lay your eyes on reality. I know, I know, you might puke. P. 5 is samples of your "mountains if papers". I checked out many more and the MO is the same. No one knows the answer to this puzzle. I was referred to many of the papers by evolutionauts who were sure they were "answers". Saying "something" and reality are very different. Talk is cheap. There are no fossils that demonstrate dino to mammal. They are just kind of there. Dinos and mammals. So the conclusion is dinos morphed into mammals. Which is not possible. The gradual fog of change you guys keep talking about is given without the slightest bit of thought as to how it occurred. How the coding occurred. Y'all are just one big happy family saying the same stuff, and completely overlooking the details of HOW THE HELL DID THAT OCCUR. Because you want to avoid the thought, as it would challenge this wonderful answer that you think is real and so scientific. Me? I want to know the steps. And if there are no possible steps, then this science isn't a science. It's a fable. Time to look elsewhere. And "birds are dinosaurs"? My gawd. How can you actually believe that. I know! Someone told you, and it stuck. Hard. And for no other reason.
I love the "magic" thing. A reason you cannot be discussed with. By continually coming up with the most absurd notions, and assigning them to me makes you look foolish. I love the "wooden boat" discussion on the previous page. Childish and beyond silly.

Hey Steve! Does your book have a chapter on how Dinosaurs couldn't evolve into mammals?

ADParker · **#5873** by **ADParker** » Sep 26, 2013 3:07 am

stevebee92653 wrote:For me to argue theropod/bird evolution would be a complete waste of time. You see any similarities that your trainers want you to see. You completely are blind to the massive differences, and the complete absurdity of the notion. Those teensy arms moved to the side of the animals, and became airfoil wings? Those huge legs turned into toothpick legs? Those huge thighs moved up next to the rib cage and under every birds skin and feathers? Gad, I could go on for hours. Why can't you? Why do you fall for such complete nonsense? Where is your skepticism? It's absurd, but you believe. And you always will I realize. So I am not hoping to even have a rational conversation about it. Belief is tough to debate.

I'm sorry, but do you STILL think that the theory of evolution claims that modern birds evolved from Tyrannosaurs?! :what:

stevebee92653 · **#5874** by **stevebee92653** » Sep 26, 2013 3:29 am

ADParker said:
I'm sorry, but do you STILL think that the theory of evolution claims that modern birds evolved from Tyrannosaurs?!

I made three actual videos on the subject showing evolution's actual species that was the actual ancestor to all 10,000 bird species including hummingbirds, woodpeckers, and as an added bonus, guest star Mr. Tweety Bird. Feel free to have a look and some good extra credit demeaning. No need to be sorry ADParker. 8-)

stevebee92653 · **#5875** by **stevebee92653** » Sep 26, 2013 3:35 am

Oldskeptic said:
Hey Steve! Does your book have a chapter on how Dinosaurs couldn't evolve into mammals?

Actually no. Sorry. But it's so common sensical that any egg laying species couldn't slowly convert into a mammal, it would seem to be rather a waste. Maybe for you in the next book. 8-)

Oldskeptic · **#5876** by **Oldskeptic** » Sep 26, 2013 4:03 am

stevebee92653 wrote:
Oldskeptic said:
Hey Steve! Does your book have a chapter on how Dinosaurs couldn't evolve into mammals?

Actually no. Sorry. But it's so common sensical that any egg laying species couldn't slowly convert into a mammal, it would seem to be rather a waste. Maybe for you in the next book.

Tell me Steve, who actually claimed that dinosaurs evolved into mammals?

stevebee92653 · **#5877** by **stevebee92653** » Sep 26, 2013 6:41 am

Oldskeptic wrote:
stevebee92653 wrote:
Oldskeptic said:
Hey Steve! Does your book have a chapter on how Dinosaurs couldn't evolve into mammals?

Actually no. Sorry. But it's so common sensical that any egg laying species couldn't slowly convert into a mammal, it would seem to be rather a waste. Maybe for you in the next book.

Tell me Steve, who actually claimed that dinosaurs evolved into mammals?

Gosh Oldskeptic, that's a toughie. I have no idea who would have such an absurd notioin. Do you know who?

stevebee92653 · **#5878** by **stevebee92653** » Sep 26, 2013 6:53 am

theropod said:
An oldie but a goodie eh Steve? If the shit stinks you have probably posted even more of your worthless tripe. Even your IDIOT version of design requires a designer, so your creationism denial is all the funnier every time you trot it out.
Pffft, surely you can do better than this, Steve.

My tripe isn't worthless! That is a lie. Ever take a course in gross human anatomy theropod?
Do you think random mutations, natural selection, and time created all of living nature?

stevebee92653 · **#5879** by **stevebee92653** » Sep 26, 2013 7:00 am

lucek said:
We've read good chunks of your book. We have a good sense of your understanding form your blog and here. And finally we know that composing you book you didn't take into account one word said by anyone you talked to here.

Actually some of my conversations here are IN the book. And cited as ratskep.org. I wouldn't forget you guys. Not for a minute.

Thomas Eshuis · **#5880** by **Thomas Eshuis** » Sep 26, 2013 7:18 am

stevebee92653 wrote:
lucek wrote:
stevebee92653 wrote:I have a whole chapter on bird evolution in my book! You would love it. Except the book costs $15, and that would be like donating to the devil ... I mean Kirk. I do appreciate your unbelievably staunch belief in theropod to bird morphing though. It would seem that you are more than 100% sure.Me? Somewhere around 0%. Eye of the beholder here, I guess. Also, good strategy on your continuing to try to tie me to Creationists. Except didn't you know that has been done on this thread dozens of times?

Um Steve. We've read good chunks of your book. We have a good sense of your understanding form your blog and here. And finally we know that composing you book you didn't take into account one word said by anyone you talked to here.

Btw Steve you are talking about your book. We can read in your book (even the free chapters) your connection to creationism.

Do you guys all read together in your groupthink group? See, I try to help you out by showing you how you are groupthinkers, and you never listen.

Steve you might want to look in the mirror:

stevebee92653 wrote:
[color=#0040FF]Look Thomas, everyone who questions evolution on this site is a liar. We have established that.

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