Air Travel within continental Europe is unnecessary for the most part however not in North America where the next major city can be up to 8hrs away by train. Toronto to Montreal is about 6-7hrs by train plus getting to and from the station and the recommended time for showing up is about one hour ahead of time. This can add up to 10-11hrs of travel total compared to flying which can be a bitting as 3-4 hours (actual flight time about one hour.) Regional flying in North America is lower cost v. rail because it can piggy back off existing infrastructure. It's cheaper to buy carbon offsets.

Your attitude is very Eurocentric.

Keep It Real wrote:No it isn't. Why do the majority of passengers fly? Socialising and fun. Unnecessary. As if we in the West aren't bathed up to the gills in luxury already, they take more. Do we drink from puddles? Et fucking c.

I do it to get where I need to go. I don't need your fucking judgement because you live within hours of most european cities. There are ways of dealing with this that doesn't involve not going anywhere by airplane. You need to update your attitude and knowledge.

Keep It Real wrote:Where you NEED to go is it fellto? Oh, I take it all back then.

Business for one. Relatives in other cities for another. If you got your head out of your eurocentric views, you might begin to understand that not everyone lives an hour or two away by rail in North America. Many people spend three to four hours a day just to get to and from work.

There is no question so a cool story time. Lots of things people do they do not NEED to.

Some time ago before smoking was banned from enclosed public spaces I was reading an article by someone who lived here by abd had a job at Uni in the UK. This someone was bitching like mad, how inconsiderate smokers at the airport cafes are, smoking under his nose, potentially damaging his health and well stinking. So I wrote him if he does not mind flying around every other week, consuming finite resource, producing CO and shit. To my amazement, he did not think it was comparable because he needs to fly, right? No, dont fly, I dont care you have a job that makes you fly. Find another, local, then bitch about other people being selfish.

Cool story indeed. We don't need more than enough water and food to survive, and somewhere to hide when the weather's particularly bad.

KIR apparently needs airline travel to be the #1 bogeyman of AGW, and needs airline travel to not be important enough for its environmental cost, in whatever arbitrary way he's measuring that. Until he provides some sort of concrete evidence to support either of these contentions, I don't see there being much else to say about them.

tuco wrote:There is no question so a cool story time. Lots of things people do they do not NEED to.

Some time ago before smoking was banned from enclosed public spaces I was reading an article by someone who lived here by abd had a job at Uni in the UK. This someone was bitching like mad, how inconsiderate smokers at the airport cafes are, smoking under his nose, potentially damaging his health and well stinking. So I wrote him if he does not mind flying around every other week, consuming finite resource, producing CO and shit. To my amazement, he did not think it was comparable because he needs to fly, right? No, dont fly, I dont care you have a job that makes you fly. Find another, local, then bitch about other people being selfish.

Cool story, indeed. You run a business in North America and try not to travel.

Keep It Real wrote:The vast majority of airtravel strikes me thus, correct. Perhaps it's partly the "charismatic mega fauna" nature of jet liners, as well as the superfluousness which shapes them that way in my outlook.

What the fuck are you talking about. That post doesn't even make sense.

One of the best activities connected to air travel is to me whale watching. Flying across the world because I am whale friendly. Yeah.

felltoearth wrote:

tuco wrote:There is no question so a cool story time. Lots of things people do they do not NEED to.

Some time ago before smoking was banned from enclosed public spaces I was reading an article by someone who lived here by abd had a job at Uni in the UK. This someone was bitching like mad, how inconsiderate smokers at the airport cafes are, smoking under his nose, potentially damaging his health and well stinking. So I wrote him if he does not mind flying around every other week, consuming finite resource, producing CO and shit. To my amazement, he did not think it was comparable because he needs to fly, right? No, dont fly, I dont care you have a job that makes you fly. Find another, local, then bitch about other people being selfish.

Cool story, indeed. You run a business in North America and try not to travel.

I do not want to run business and do not want to travel. And frankly, I don't care about your reasons, I care about your footprint, respectively how your behavior influences my life.

The way I think about it is that let the rich and, well from our point of view, the rich fly whale watching, have their cars and bikes, dunno how many bedroom houses and whatnot, because what can you do? Can't stop them, we all have freedoms and shit. But make them pay for it, not only market price but an environmental one, and hopefully, they will STFU when it comes to (their) wealth redistribution.

tuco wrote:

felltoearth wrote:

tuco wrote:There is no question so a cool story time. Lots of things people do they do not NEED to.

Some time ago before smoking was banned from enclosed public spaces I was reading an article by someone who lived here by abd had a job at Uni in the UK. This someone was bitching like mad, how inconsiderate smokers at the airport cafes are, smoking under his nose, potentially damaging his health and well stinking. So I wrote him if he does not mind flying around every other week, consuming finite resource, producing CO and shit. To my amazement, he did not think it was comparable because he needs to fly, right? No, dont fly, I dont care you have a job that makes you fly. Find another, local, then bitch about other people being selfish.

Cool story, indeed. You run a business in North America and try not to travel.

I do not want to run business and do not want to travel. And frankly, I don't care about your reasons, I care about your footprint, respectively how your behavior influences my life.

Cool story.

We all have our reasons. Perhaps it sounds offensive that I do not care but why should I? I dunno how to measure them.