The level and effects of CO2 emissions are currently believed to be broadly the same regardless of altitude (i.e., they have the same atmospheric effects as ground-based emissions).

For perspective, per passenger a typical economy-class New York to Los Angeles round trip produces about 715 kg (1574 lb) of CO2 (but is equivalent to 1,917 kg (4,230 lb) of CO2 when the high altitude "climatic forcing" effect is taken into account)

In attempting to aggregate and quantify the total climate impact of aircraft emissions the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) has estimated that aviation's total climate impact is some two to four times that of its direct CO2 emissions alone

Keep It Real wrote:No it isn't. Why do the majority of passengers fly? Socialising and fun. Unnecessary. As if we in the West aren't bathed up to the gills in luxury already, they take more. Do we drink from puddles? Et fucking c.

Keep It Real wrote:Where you NEED to go is it fellto? Oh, I take it all back then.

tuco wrote:There is no question so a cool story time. Lots of things people do they do not NEED to.

Some time ago before smoking was banned from enclosed public spaces I was reading an article by someone who lived here by abd had a job at Uni in the UK. This someone was bitching like mad, how inconsiderate smokers at the airport cafes are, smoking under his nose, potentially damaging his health and well stinking. So I wrote him if he does not mind flying around every other week, consuming finite resource, producing CO and shit. To my amazement, he did not think it was comparable because he needs to fly, right? No, dont fly, I dont care you have a job that makes you fly. Find another, local, then bitch about other people being selfish.

Keep It Real wrote:The vast majority of airtravel strikes me thus, correct. Perhaps it's partly the "charismatic mega fauna" nature of jet liners, as well as the superfluousness which shapes them that way in my outlook.

felltoearth wrote:

tuco wrote:There is no question so a cool story time. Lots of things people do they do not NEED to.

Some time ago before smoking was banned from enclosed public spaces I was reading an article by someone who lived here by abd had a job at Uni in the UK. This someone was bitching like mad, how inconsiderate smokers at the airport cafes are, smoking under his nose, potentially damaging his health and well stinking. So I wrote him if he does not mind flying around every other week, consuming finite resource, producing CO and shit. To my amazement, he did not think it was comparable because he needs to fly, right? No, dont fly, I dont care you have a job that makes you fly. Find another, local, then bitch about other people being selfish.

Cool story, indeed. You run a business in North America and try not to travel.

tuco wrote:One of the best activities connected to air travel is to me whale watching. Flying across the world because I am whale friendly. Yeah.

Iain Banks Wiki wrote:In February 2007, Banks sold his extensive car collection, including a 3.2-litre Porsche Boxster, a Porsche 911 Turbo, a 3.8-litre Jaguar Mark II, a 5-litre BMW M5 and a daily use diesel Land Rover Defender whose power he had boosted by about 50%. Banks exchanged all of the vehicles for a Lexus RX 400h hybrid – later replaced by a diesel Toyota Yaris – and said in the future he would fly only in emergencies.

tuco wrote:

felltoearth wrote:

tuco wrote:There is no question so a cool story time. Lots of things people do they do not NEED to.

Some time ago before smoking was banned from enclosed public spaces I was reading an article by someone who lived here by abd had a job at Uni in the UK. This someone was bitching like mad, how inconsiderate smokers at the airport cafes are, smoking under his nose, potentially damaging his health and well stinking. So I wrote him if he does not mind flying around every other week, consuming finite resource, producing CO and shit. To my amazement, he did not think it was comparable because he needs to fly, right? No, dont fly, I dont care you have a job that makes you fly. Find another, local, then bitch about other people being selfish.

Cool story, indeed. You run a business in North America and try not to travel.

I do not want to run business and do not want to travel. And frankly, I don't care about your reasons, I care about your footprint, respectively how your behavior influences my life.