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Are we heading into a mini-Ice Age?

#1  Postby Animavore » Jun 15, 2011 6:37 pm

http://www.stumbleupon.com/su/69r1QA/ww ... 4/ice_age/

What may be the science story of the century is breaking this evening, as heavyweight US solar physicists announce that the Sun appears to be headed into a lengthy spell of low activity, which could mean that the Earth – far from facing a global warming problem – is actually headed into a mini Ice Age.
The announcement made on 14 June (18:00 UK time) comes from scientists at the US National Solar Observatory (NSO) and US Air Force Research Laboratory. Three different analyses of the Sun's recent behaviour all indicate that a period of unusually low solar activity may be about to begin.

The Sun normally follows an 11-year cycle of activity. The current cycle, Cycle 24, is now supposed to be ramping up towards maximum strength. Increased numbers of sunspots and other indications ought to be happening: but in fact results so far are most disappointing. Scientists at the NSO now suspect, based on data showing decades-long trends leading to this point, that Cycle 25 may not happen at all.

This could have major implications for the Earth's climate. According to a statement issued by the NSO, announcing the research:

An immediate question is whether this slowdown presages a second Maunder Minimum, a 70-year period with virtually no sunspots [which occurred] during 1645-1715.

As NASA notes:

Early records of sunspots indicate that the Sun went through a period of inactivity in the late 17th century. Very few sunspots were seen on the Sun from about 1645 to 1715. Although the observations were not as extensive as in later years, the Sun was in fact well observed during this time and this lack of sunspots is well documented. This period of solar inactivity also corresponds to a climatic period called the "Little Ice Age" when rivers that are normally ice-free froze and snow fields remained year-round at lower altitudes. There is evidence that the Sun has had similar periods of inactivity in the more distant past.

During the Maunder Minimum and for periods either side of it, many European rivers which are ice-free today – including the Thames – routinely froze over, allowing ice skating and even for armies to march across them in some cases.

"This is highly unusual and unexpected," says Dr Frank Hill of the NSO. "But the fact that three completely different views of the Sun point in the same direction is a powerful indicator that the sunspot cycle may be going into hibernation."...[cont.]
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#2  Postby mattwilson » Jun 15, 2011 6:45 pm

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#4  Postby Dracena » Jun 15, 2011 8:12 pm

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#5  Postby FACT-MAN-2 » Jun 18, 2011 2:34 pm

Animavore wrote:http://www.stumbleupon.com/su/69r1QA/www.theregister.co.uk/2011/06/14/ice_age/

What may be the science story of the century is breaking this evening, as heavyweight US solar physicists announce that the Sun appears to be headed into a lengthy spell of low activity, which could mean that the Earth – far from facing a global warming problem – is actually headed into a mini Ice Age.
The announcement made on 14 June (18:00 UK time) comes from scientists at the US National Solar Observatory (NSO) and US Air Force Research Laboratory. Three different analyses of the Sun's recent behaviour all indicate that a period of unusually low solar activity may be about to begin.

The Sun normally follows an 11-year cycle of activity. The current cycle, Cycle 24, is now supposed to be ramping up towards maximum strength. Increased numbers of sunspots and other indications ought to be happening: but in fact results so far are most disappointing. Scientists at the NSO now suspect, based on data showing decades-long trends leading to this point, that Cycle 25 may not happen at all.

This could have major implications for the Earth's climate. According to a statement issued by the NSO, announcing the research:

An immediate question is whether this slowdown presages a second Maunder Minimum, a 70-year period with virtually no sunspots [which occurred] during 1645-1715.

As NASA notes:

Early records of sunspots indicate that the Sun went through a period of inactivity in the late 17th century. Very few sunspots were seen on the Sun from about 1645 to 1715. Although the observations were not as extensive as in later years, the Sun was in fact well observed during this time and this lack of sunspots is well documented. This period of solar inactivity also corresponds to a climatic period called the "Little Ice Age" when rivers that are normally ice-free froze and snow fields remained year-round at lower altitudes. There is evidence that the Sun has had similar periods of inactivity in the more distant past.

During the Maunder Minimum and for periods either side of it, many European rivers which are ice-free today – including the Thames – routinely froze over, allowing ice skating and even for armies to march across them in some cases.

"This is highly unusual and unexpected," says Dr Frank Hill of the NSO. "But the fact that three completely different views of the Sun point in the same direction is a powerful indicator that the sunspot cycle may be going into hibernation."...[cont.]

Anyone who thinks we may be heading for a mini-Ice Age hasn't been paying attention to the ever rising concentration of C02 in the atmosphere, which we are increaing at the rate of 28,000 gigatons per annum and which has now reached 390ppm, a good 30 per cent above the preindustrial norm of about 280ppm.

This has set a warming trend in motion that's pushing the earth's mean annual temperature inexorably upward, one full degree C since 1950.

This condition did not exist during the period of the Maunder Minimum.

Whether a period of general inactivity regarding sunspots can overwhelm the forcings of GHGs in the atmosphere is an open question, but the answer seems that it's doubtful.
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#6  Postby Weaver » Jun 18, 2011 4:44 pm

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badas ... w-ice-age/
http://bravenewclimate.com/2008/09/14/w ... got-stuck/

Bottom line - no. The Maunder Minimum exhibited lower than normal regional winter temps in Europe, average summer temps, and no major global effect (plus a bunch of big volcanic activities). If we go into another Maunder Minimum, the impact might total out at less than 10% of the current CO2-generated warming.
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#7  Postby Dracena » Jun 19, 2011 1:46 am

Cheers for the answers guys :thumbup: It's already to frigging cold in Ireland :lol:
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#8  Postby FACT-MAN-2 » Jun 20, 2011 6:51 pm

Weaver wrote:http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2011/06/17/are-we-headed-for-a-new-ice-age/
http://bravenewclimate.com/2008/09/14/w ... got-stuck/

Bottom line - no. The Maunder Minimum exhibited lower than normal regional winter temps in Europe, average summer temps, and no major global effect (plus a bunch of big volcanic activities). If we go into another Maunder Minimum, the impact might total out at less than 10% of the current CO2-generated warming.

A good piece on this has been posted at http://www.realclimate.org in which the author agrees, the projected reduced sunspot activity will only have a very minor effect on depressing the current temperature arc.
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#9  Postby Weaver » Jun 20, 2011 8:42 pm

FACT-MAN-2 wrote:
Weaver wrote:http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2011/06/17/are-we-headed-for-a-new-ice-age/
http://bravenewclimate.com/2008/09/14/w ... got-stuck/

Bottom line - no. The Maunder Minimum exhibited lower than normal regional winter temps in Europe, average summer temps, and no major global effect (plus a bunch of big volcanic activities). If we go into another Maunder Minimum, the impact might total out at less than 10% of the current CO2-generated warming.

A good piece on this has been posted at http://www.realclimate.org in which the author agrees, the projected reduced sunspot activity will only have a very minor effect on depressing the current temperature arc.

Indeed, one of the best sites on the web (not surprising, given it's writers) with no-BS explanations and good hard science complete with references.

Here's the article Fact-Man-2 referenced:
http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/ar ... #more-7928
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#10  Postby Sovereign » Jun 20, 2011 9:04 pm

I'm curious about the effect this will have on solar technology? If less solar radiation reaches earth then the cost per area valuse of solar panels will increase. Are people willing to shell out the money for that during a minimum?
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#11  Postby Weaver » Jun 20, 2011 9:23 pm

Read the articles ...
The decrease in solar radiance will be so small it won't effect solar power generation at all. Even on the scale of the entire planet, it will have a negligible effect.
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#12  Postby Rome Existed » Jun 25, 2011 8:04 am

According to scientists - No.

According to right wing antiscience nutters - yes, by tomorrow! Take that Global Warming evilutionsists!
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#13  Postby Ihavenofingerprints » Jun 25, 2011 12:54 pm

Turns out the ice age nonsense is just a massive media-fraud. They just took what the NSO said (extremely) out of context.



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#14  Postby FACT-MAN-2 » Jul 31, 2011 3:47 am

Ihavenofingerprints wrote:Turns out the ice age nonsense is just a massive media-fraud. They just took what the NSO said (extremely) out of context.



"Interesting how government researchers are corrupt liars when they say the earth is warming, but the model of integrety when they are thought to be suggesting that the earth is cooling"

No climate scientist in his right mind thinks the earth is cooling or is about to enter a cooling phase.
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#15  Postby Ihavenofingerprints » Aug 08, 2011 4:47 pm

"Thought to be suggesting the earth is cooling"

He is saying that when climate scientists predict changes such as a warming earth, climate change denying bloggers/journalists call them corrupt liars. But when the media misinterprets the same scientists' research and suggests that we are heading into some form of ice-age, the bloggers take this information on face value and start claiming some kind of victory. (suddenly the research becomes a credible source of information once it is supposedly implying that the earth is not warming)

I don't think he was implying that any scientists are actually predicting a cooling phase of any sort.
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#16  Postby ginckgo » Aug 11, 2011 6:03 am

Phil Plait over at BadAstronomy had a piece on this:

The jet stream is a river of air that flows roughly west to east across the Earth. It varies a lot season to season and year to year, and it can affect regional weather quite strongly. A dip south can bring very cold arctic air to one place while a northward kink keeps another region temperate. When the jet stream is strong it flows well and that doesn’t happen, but when it’s weak it can meander, flopping north and south in various locations. The jet stream strength and direction depends on many factors, including, of all things, ozone.

The dependence is complicated, but the bottom line is the jet stream is weaker when there’s less ozone (it has to do with latitude-dependent temperature gradients across the upper atmosphere; those gradients are strong in winter and weak in summer). Ozone creation depends on UV from the Sun, which is weaker during a solar minimum. See where this is going? Weaker magnetic activity on the Sun means less ozone which means a weaker jet stream which means it meanders more, bringing cold air south in some places.

And where does that happen preferentially? Give yourself a gold star if you guess Europe.

So that may be the connection between the Sun’s Maunder Minimum and the Little Ice Age. Fewer sunspots meant fewer faculae, so less heat from the Sun. Not enough to kickstart an ice age, but it had some minimal effect. Volcanic eruptions added their cooling. Finally, a weak jet stream dropped supercold air farther south into Europe — thus the winters in Europe were extraordinarily bitter, but summers weren’t all that affected, and other regions of the world were spared the worst outcomes from all this.


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