Can someone with access please forward the THIS paper to me? Contact me with a PM for an email link.

Thanks,

RS

Really. And then can you share? that looks fascinating.

Count me in for a share of this.

As a complete non-academic: is the reason some of these papers are behind a pay wall (is that the issue here?) due to the authors trying to make money (doesn't seem efficient) or trying to keep their research private (doesn't seem useful)?

Onyx8 wrote:As a complete non-academic: is the reason some of these papers are behind a pay wall (is that the issue here?) due to the authors trying to make money (doesn't seem efficient) or trying to keep their research private (doesn't seem useful)?

It's down to publishers not authors. Publishers are businesses and want to make profits.

Of course, thank you.

What sort of range of cost is out there? What might this paper eg cost to have a look at? I assume part of the agreement would be not to share it anywhere.

Would it be correct to think that Universities would be the major purchasers of the right to read such a paper?

Onyx8 wrote:Really. And then can you share? that looks fascinating.

Indeed I would share my insights. I may write the author and see if a direct release might be possible.

I am especially interested since this specimen was yielded by my old stomping ground, the Hell Creek formation. I may be familiar with the particular member of said formation.

I know of another hadrosaur that has a T. rex bite, and that is a healed wound displayed in a specimen at the Denver Museum of Nature and Science, but this new specimen has an embedded tooth between vertebrate that have fused in healing.

Damn I want this paper! If all fails I'll buy the damned thing. Too bad it wasn't published in the SVP journal.

RS

St. Vincent dePaul do a journal?

Are there no science blogs you can find detailing this?

I'm not interested in someone's blog about this specimen, and Society of Vertebrate Paleontology is the journal I'm talking about.

RS

I've got access to the journal, including the latest edition published 16th July 2013, 110: 29, but it's not listed on the contents. I note that it's published on-line ahead of the print copy, so presumably it'll be available with the next edition, if you can wait that long.

Or you could PM me your mail addresses. I... erm... got it.

Well, I´ve got it as well. PNAS does make everything open access a week or so after print I think. It´s early edition - so it´ll be in the next print issue.

A note on mailing authors: Works most of the time. And in the few cases it doesn´t it´s usually to do with out of data email adresses or vacations... The currency of science is being cited - somebody mailing you is very interested in your paper, which tends to equal works on something that paper might provide useful insight into, which in turn tends to equal will cite you. In the past couple of days I´ve sent mails to two authors for two different projects and in both cases these will be cited.

PM me your email, and I can send you the paper.

I like this aspect of academia! Now we have so many people willing to share the article!

"Help will always be given at Hogwarts to those who ask for it."

Oh and fuck you, paywalls!

OK, thanks all, susu has a PM.

One reason I want to look under the hood is to read about any possible pathologies involved in the mending bone/wound site. I am very interested in exploring the possibility that T. rex had a nasty mouth. If the bacteria load was high enough any bite might result in similar reactions seen in Komodo dragon (Varanus komodoensis) victims (even though I think a recent study revealed a true toxin with those critters). This may have allowed T. rex to bite, use its extraordinary sense of smell to track the victim, and wait for the bacteria to do their thing. This tactic/behavior/adaptation would allow for lunging attacks from cover where a chase wasn't involved. While a T. rex might not have been able to run down its prey I can see them crouched in thick cover awaiting a grazing hadrosaur, and then springing on the prey with one massive lunge. If a fatal bite was happened upon immediately the task was done, but if a slow and methodical pursuit followed a less than immediately fatal wound the T. rex'es olfactory prowess would then serve a vital function. I have little doubt that a wounded, bleeding and weakening hadrosaur would be hard pressed to evade a trailing T. rex.

It will also be interesting to read about the severity of the wound and the recovery prowess of the hadrosaur.

Again thanks everyone.

RS

I'm sad for the T. rex. Didn't catch the prey, lost a tooth in the process.

From the article, "Moreover, the position of the injury—the tail—suggests that T. rex could possibly have engaged in pursuit
predation"

Don't feel too bad for the T. rex. It probably had a new tooth in place in a couple weeks. Shed theropod teeth are fairly common in parts of the Hell Creek formation.

Interestingly the Denver specimen is also a tail wound.

It's possible the hadrosaurs used their tails to defensively slap at the T. rex, as that's better then a T. rex mouth enveloping ones head. It's also possible that the duckbill tail was all the T. rex could bite on fleeing prey. It's also possible that these minor wounds that we do have specimens for are some flat out lucky hadrosaurs. Remember that our current sample size is so limited it's almost impossible to get a really good idea of the feeding behavior of T. rex. Give those Hell Creek workers some more time, and I'm sure we'll start to learn more about this subject, and a great many others.

Ah, to be recovering fossils from those the Hell Creek again. Lucky fuckers.

RS

Holy Christ! You have the best job in the planet!

Thanks for taking the time to explain!

natselrox wrote:Holy Christ! You have the best job in the planet!

Thanks for taking the time to explain!

CORRECTION:
HAD the best job on the planet.

Christo-fascist on the board of directors figured it would be a good idea to turn the whole affair, museum, collections and all, into a creationist cluster fuck. I resigned as executive director. I thought I posted all about this enough times that everyone knew the story.

RS

Oh dear lord! I missed it, I think.