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Two K-T disasters?

#1  Postby lpetrich » Oct 04, 2012 4:27 am

Two separate extinctions brought end to dinosaur era - life - 03 August 2012 - New Scientist
A key problem has been finding sedimentary rocks that were formed at exactly the right time to capture all of the events that might have contributed to the extinction. The rocks need to contain plenty of fossils too, to reveal exactly when the various species disappeared.

Thomas Tobin at the University of Washington in Seattle has just found rocks that fit the bill on Seymour Island, just off the Antarctic Peninsula. "It is really far south, so any climate changes are likely to be strongest there and have more biological effects," he says.

He found evidence of two extinctions, one at the time of the Chicxulub impact, and one about 40 m below in the rocks, about 150,000 years earlier, when the Deccan Traps eruptions were occurring in the Indian subcontinent. These were flood basalt eruptions, where lava would pour over large areas, making a large igneous province.

Each disaster produced characteristic mass extinctions. The eruptions produced global warming going up to 7 C, heating the oceans and making their lower waters anoxic, causing a mass extinction there. Then the Chicxulub meteorite struck, causing a mass extinction of near-surface forms.

ScienceDirect.com - Palaeogeography, Palaeoclimatology, Palaeoecology - Extinction patterns, δ18 O trends, and magnetostratigraphy from a southern high-latitude Cretaceous–Paleogene section: Links with Deccan volcanism
Although abundant evidence now exists for a massive bolide impact coincident with the Cretaceous–Paleogene (K–Pg) mass extinction event (~ 65.5 Ma), the relative importance of this impact as an extinction mechanism is still the subject of debate. On Seymour Island, Antarctic Peninsula, the López de Bertodano Formation yields one of the most expanded K–Pg boundary sections known. Using a new chronology from magnetostratigraphy, and isotopic data from carbonate-secreting macrofauna, we present a high-resolution, high-latitude paleotemperature record spanning this time interval. We find two prominent warming events synchronous with the three main phases of Deccan Traps flood volcanism, and the onset of the second is contemporaneous with a local extinction that pre-dates the bolide impact. What has been termed the K–Pg extinction is potentially the sum of multiple, independent events, at least at high latitudes.

ScienceDirect.com - Earth and Planetary Science Letters - Nature and timing of extinctions in Cretaceous-Tertiary planktic foraminifera preserved in Deccan intertrappean sediments of the Krishna–Godavari Basin, India
In C29r below the Cretaceous-Tertiary boundary (KTB) massive Deccan Trap eruptions in India covered an area the size of France or Texas and produced the world’s largest and longest lava megaflows 1500 km across India through the Krishna–Godavari (K–G) Basin into the Bay of Bengal. Investigation of ten deep wells from the K–G Basin revealed four lava megaflows separated by sand, silt and shale with the last megaflow ending at or near the KTB. The biologic response in India was swift and devastating. During Deccan eruptions prior to the first megaflow, planktic foraminifera suffered 50% species extinctions. Survivors suffered another 50% extinctions after the first megaflow leaving just 7–8 species. No recovery occurred between the next three megaflows and the mass extinction was complete with the last mega-flow at or near the KTB. The last phase of Deccan volcanism occurred in the early Danian C29n with deposition of another four megaflows accompanied by delayed biotic recovery of marine plankton. Correlative with these intense volcanic phases, climate changed from humid/tropical to arid conditions and returned to normal tropical humidity after the last phase of volcanism. The global climatic and biotic effects attributable to Deccan volcanism have yet to be fully investigated. However, preliminary studies from India to Texas reveal extreme climate changes associated with high-stress environmental conditions among planktic foraminifera leading to blooms of the disaster opportunist Guembelitria cretacea during the late Maastrichtian.

So the volcano-induced global warming turned some tropical jungles into deserts. :eek: That's consistent with predictions of increased aridity as a result of present-day global warming.

The Earth has several other flood-basalt plains, including the Columbia River basin in the northwest US and the Siberian Traps whose eruptions may have caused the Permo-Triassic mass extinction. That was even bigger than the K-T one, though it did not involve organisms as spectacular as dinosaurs. It also involved global warming, but by as much as 8 C, and the Siberian Traps flood-basalt eruptions were likely involved in that also.

These eruptions may have been caused by meteorite impacts, but it's not something I'd consider well-established. Shiva crater, off the west coast of India, was likely produced by an impact that may also have caused the Deccan Traps eruptions.

For the Siberian Traps, some impacts have also been proposed, like Wilkes Land crater in Antarctica and Bedout, northwest of Australia. They would have been antipodal or close to antipodal to the Siberian Traps at the P-Tr time; that location would have focused the impact shock on the other side of the Earth: Princeton University - Impact study: Princeton model shows fallout of a giant meteorite strike

There are likely additional connections between mass extinctions, big impacts, and massive eruptions:
Asteroid/comet impact clusters, flood basalts, and mass extinctions: Significance of isotopic age overlaps, by Andrew Glikson (PDF)

The lunar maria ("seas") are also flood-basalt plains, though they formed about 3.5 - 3 billion years ago (Lunar mare).
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#2  Postby Erakivnor » Oct 04, 2012 7:29 pm

Actually a very interesting news that of the double disaster!
<However I find very speculative that gigantic flood basalts can be triggered by far stress field shocks of meteor impacts. And the author's say so: A 15m ground displacement on antipodal point is an exaggeration. And yet well far from producingstress release for extensive partial melting of million km3 of (mantle) rocks.
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#3  Postby lpetrich » Oct 05, 2012 12:17 pm

You could well be right, unless the impact is a very big one, like the Vredefort one. However, the Vredefort one happened about 2 billion years ago, and it's unlikely that its antipodal effects, if any, have survived. Elsewhere in the Solar System, however, there is evidence of antipodal effects. The planet Mercury has a huge impact crater, the Caloris Basin, about 1550 km across, and its antipode has some chaotic hilly "weird terrain".

Climate models that predict more droughts win further scientific support - The Washington Post
Increasing drought under global warming in observations and models : Nature Climate Change : Nature Publishing Group
Global warming -> less precipitation (rain and snow), more evaporation from land.

That evidently happened during the Deccan Traps eruptions, yet further evidence of the deleterious effects of global warming. It would be interesting to find out if something similar happened during the Siberian Traps eruptions.

Here's a table of Andrew Glikson's identifications:
Geo Timescale | When | Impacts | Eruptions
Mid-Miocene: Langhian | 15.97 Myr | X | X
Eocene-Oligocene | 33.9 Myr | X | X
Cretaceous-Tertiary/Paleogene | 65.5 Myr | X | X
Mid/Late Cretaceous: Cenomanian-Turonian | 93.5 Myr | X | X
Early Cretaceous: Aptian | 125-112 Myr | X | X
Jurassic-Cretaceous | 145.5 Myr | X | X
Early Jurassic: Pliensbachian-Toarcian | 183 Myr | | X
Triassic-Jurassic | 199.6 Myr | X | X
Permian-Triassic | 251 Myr | . | X
Late to end Devonian | ~374-359 Myr | X | X
Ordovician-Silurian | 443.7 Myr | . |
Mid-Cambrian | 513 Myr | | X
Mid-Ediacaran | ~580 Ma | X |
X = strong
. = weak

The Ordovician-Silurian mass extinction may have had neither cause, but instead a gamma-ray burst: Did Gamma Rays Cause Ordovician Mass Extinction?

If the Deccan and Siberian Traps and other big flood-basalt eruptions had not been produced by antipodal effects, they could have been produced by direct impacts. This raises the questions of why big impacts produce flood basalts at some areas and not others, and why the impacts cause the mantle plumes that are associated with some flood basalts. There is also the question of why multiple impacts in short succession. That could be a case of coincidence, so one will need improved stratigraphy to resolve that issue.

However, there are some binary asteroids, and that may explain close impacts - Press Release: Binary asteroids and doublet craters. Glikson lists several close impacts, like Chicxulub and Boltysh for K-T:
What | Age
K-T boundary | 65.5+-0.3 Myr
Chicxulub (170 km) | 64.98+-0.05 Myr
Boltysh (25 km) | 65.1+-0.64 Myr
Deccan Pleateau Basalts | 65.5+-0.7 Myr
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#4  Postby DavidMcC » Oct 05, 2012 1:17 pm

We will never know for sure, but I don't see any reason to think that all the non-flying dinosaurs would have gone extinct without the Chicxulub impact coming so "soon" after the Deccan traps. Their numbers were already in decline as a result of the traps eruptions, but that is not the same as extinction. AFAIK, thescale of the Deccan traps was much smaller than the Siberian traps at 250MYa.
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#5  Postby Erakivnor » Oct 06, 2012 12:42 pm

Honestly I think a direct impact has much more effect than whichever focus of seismic waves on the antipodes of a planet. The same authors of the model admit that the deccan traps are not in the ancient antipodal position of the Yucatan crater.
A much more consistent interpretation (in my opinion of course) is that given by Calapthi and Lehemann (Earth-Science Reviews 107, 2011), in which the large igneous province of Deccan traps is generated by magma accumulated by an hotspot below continental lithosphere.
I honestly Have no idea of how much stress and heat can generate a meteor impact, but I suppose that material removed by such an impact is quantifiable in some hundreds of meters of rocks (not enough to generate extensive decompression melting). A meteor has an huge impact on the biosphere/atmosphere, that's for sure.
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#6  Postby Macdoc » Oct 06, 2012 1:29 pm

For reasons unknown I thought the Deccan came after the bolide strike,

Certainly the Deccan traps were totally world altering but it was over several million years so if they started only 150,000 years before the strike the world climate may not have altered to a significant degree but the strike would have hastened the decline and perhaps - since the eruptions went on for millenia, the strike may indeed have altered the interior basalt flows - that's a lot of energy released.

It always made some sense that the two events had some relation beyond killing off a lot of the biome.
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#7  Postby lpetrich » Oct 07, 2012 8:41 pm

As to how an impact might have caused massive eruptions or a mantle plume, I think that it would have done so indirectly, by making lots of cracks and excavating a lot of near-surface rock, lowering pressure. However, the next question is why it happened in one place and not another.
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#8  Postby DavidMcC » Oct 08, 2012 10:27 am

lpetrich wrote:As to how an impact might have caused massive eruptions or a mantle plume, I think that it would have done so indirectly, by making lots of cracks and excavating a lot of near-surface rock, lowering pressure. However, the next question is why it happened in one place and not another.

It wasn't just any old place, it was the antipodeian focal point of the seismic waves from the impact. This was the "fluke" that is supposed to have exacerbated the approximate coincidence in time.
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#9  Postby Erakivnor » Oct 10, 2012 6:17 am

I might understand some effect right below the crater (maybe some dyke emplacement some time after the collision or something similar).
But extensive melting at the antipode because of 5 m ground shaking I think it is not reliable. imho obviously. And Deccan Traps weren't even at the antipodes, and they probably started a bit before the impact.
I mean...coincidence happen. An unfortunate coincidence of a volcanic crisis ongoing since a while at the moment of a huge (multiple) meteoric impact. :doh:
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#10  Postby DavidMcC » Oct 10, 2012 1:56 pm

Erakivnor wrote:I might understand some effect right below the crater (maybe some dyke emplacement some time after the collision or something similar).
But extensive melting at the antipode because of 5 m ground shaking I think it is not reliable. imho obviously. And Deccan Traps weren't even at the antipodes, and they probably started a bit before the impact.
I mean...coincidence happen. An unfortunate coincidence of a volcanic crisis ongoing since a while at the moment of a huge (multiple) meteoric impact. :doh:


A. The Deccan traps were at the antipodes of the Chixulub impact site at the time of the impact, even if they weren't exactly at when the traps started erupting.
B. The focussed seizmic waves from the impact did not have to melt the rock in the Deccan traps, because the volcanic activity was doing that in any case. It would merely have to open the crust up more and allow more rapid eruption of lava.
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#11  Postby Erakivnor » Oct 10, 2012 7:00 pm

I am not an expert in palaeogeography but the map in the link ( http://www.princeton.edu/main/news/arch ... /90/32S94/ ) shows that nor the continent nor the hotspot were on the antipode of the yucatàn crater.
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#12  Postby DavidMcC » Oct 11, 2012 10:01 am

Erakivnor wrote:I am not an expert in palaeogeography but the map in the link ( http://www.princeton.edu/main/news/arch ... /90/32S94/ ) shows that nor the continent nor the hotspot were on the antipode of the yucatàn crater.

Perhaps it depends how far is "far". There is no reason why even that distance shouldn't allow some focussing effect, surely.
Also, I don't know how accurate such maps are, even now. About 8 years ago, it was considered that the two locations were more-or-less antipodian to each other. If that has subsequently had to be revised, then so be it, but it doesn't rule out near-focussing.
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#13  Postby DavidMcC » Oct 11, 2012 12:11 pm

Apparently, the global climate disruption and toxification of the atmosphere and seas was all a bit too much for dinosaur morale, and they died of depression!:
http://www.geology.wisc.edu/courses/g115/volcano/deccan.html
Did they or didn't they?
But just because these gargantuan eruptions could affect climate does not mean they did. The jury is still out, the evidence is mixed, and the cliches are coming hot and heavy. For example, the Deccan traps occurred at exactly the same time as the Cretaceous-Tertiary extinction that wiped out relatives of Tyrannosaurus rex. However, there's also good evidence that the extinction was caused by a comet or meteorite that kicked up dust, causing a global winter. (We will come back to this later in the course.) Either phenomenon -- or a combination -- could have demoralized the dinosaurs ...

What they obviously needed was a good priest! :think: :shock: :lol:
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#14  Postby Macdoc » Oct 13, 2012 3:06 am

But just because these gargantuan eruptions could affect climate does not mean they did.


Um I don't think the reality of the climate shift is at all in doubt The timing maybe but not the event itself.

http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2012EGUGA..14.7044A

How much was oceanic impact versus atmospheric will be hard to tease out but hell a single volcano like Pinatubo caused a discernible drop in temperature for a couple of years.

and a larger single volcano in historic time
http://www.wired.com/science/discoverie ... ntech_0410

The cloud of ash that was fine and light enough to stay in the atmosphere circled the globe. Average temperatures dropped as much as 5 degrees Fahrenheit over the next year ... and beyond. Many Europeans and North Americans called 1816 the "year without a summer."
Snow fell in New England and Eastern Canada in June. (Quebec City got a foot of the stuff.) Frost was recorded in each of the summer months. Drought struck in July and August, and the sunlight was weak. Crops were stunted or failed entirely. Much of what survived and looked near to harvest was killed off by a September frost.
Europe was very cold and very rainy. Ash fell with snow. Rivers flooded. Britain, France, Switzerland and Germany lost harvests and suffered famine. The Napoleonic Wars had caused food shortages, and now there were riots and looting, then an epidemic. Some 200,000 people died in Eastern and Southern Europe from a combination of typhus and hunger.
Asia and India experienced heavy monsoons, cold temperatures and frost. Rice production fell. China suffered famine, and India was hit with a cholera epidemic.
(A similar climatic event caused by the Icelandic volcano Laki a generation earlier had also chilled the Northern Hemisphere and killed thousands by starvation.)


These are single hits - anything the size of the Siberian or Deccan events had to be absolutely devastating to the biome over time.

How much was ash versus the intrusion into carboniferous rocks by the basalt will also be hard to tease out but the climate record IS there.
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