Do we live in a de facto post scarcity economy in Europe?

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Re: Do we live in a de facto post scarcity economy in Europe?

#61  Postby Keep It Real » Feb 20, 2018 12:18 am

Oh christ not this again...I mean do you not understand the thread title or something SAM?
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Re: Do we live in a de facto post scarcity economy in Europe?

#62  Postby SafeAsMilk » Feb 20, 2018 6:59 am

I understand the thread title, I just don't see the point of it.
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Re: Do we live in a de facto post scarcity economy in Europe?

#63  Postby Keep It Real » Feb 20, 2018 7:06 am

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Re: Do we live in a de facto post scarcity economy in Europe?

#64  Postby SafeAsMilk » Feb 20, 2018 7:30 am

So are you against free market capitalism now or something?
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#65  Postby Keep It Real » Feb 20, 2018 7:36 am

Now? Been against it ever since uni SAM; "now" more than ever.
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#66  Postby SafeAsMilk » Feb 20, 2018 7:41 am

Still not sure what it has to do with the OP. I mean, would you prefer more starvation?
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Re: Do we live in a de facto post scarcity economy in Europe?

#67  Postby LucidFlight » Feb 20, 2018 7:51 am

Bring back scarcity, I say.

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Re: Do we live in a de facto post scarcity economy in Europe?

#68  Postby BlackBart » Feb 20, 2018 8:22 pm

Who nicked all the fucking posts?
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#69  Postby laklak » Feb 20, 2018 9:11 pm

There were posts about fucking? Shit, I missed them.
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Re: Do we live in a de facto post scarcity economy in Europe?

#70  Postby Macdoc » Feb 21, 2018 3:53 pm

free market capitalism


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Re: Do we live in a de facto post scarcity economy in Europe?

#71  Postby Matthew Shute » Feb 21, 2018 4:32 pm

The most optimistic projections go something like this. When automation really gets into its stride, when machines from the bleeding edge of technology make more and more of us essentially unemployable, calls for something like UBI will become impossible to ignore (even now it's not just voices on the left advocating for this). The moral/psychological link between jobs and human worth will be broken, we'll have a guaranteed income we can live on, and with the increased productivity from hi-tech automation we'll have made inroads into resource scarcity.

But, yes - what Fallible says. The existence of food banks and stressed-out people spending all their nervous energy figuring out how to put some food on the table demonstrates we're a long way off anything like post-scarcity right now. Plus, personal debt is through the roof.
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Re: Do we live in a de facto post scarcity economy in Europe?

#72  Postby LucidFlight » Feb 21, 2018 6:39 pm

We just need to work on affordable and accessible nutritious food, affordable housing, and making sure population size meets our ability to service, protect, and feed it. Pretty sure there must be other things to think about. Maybe more bowling alleys and parks. Other than that, we could very well be on our way to a post-scarcity economy in Europe.
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Re: Do we live in a de facto post scarcity economy in Europe?

#73  Postby laklak » Feb 21, 2018 7:37 pm

Bowling alleys are critically endangered. Fucking millennials are killing the sport, just like everything else they touch. It's because bowling leagues don't give participation trophies, IMO. Bowling, billiards, and darts are the most refined of sports, because they come with booze.

Plus, as a card carrying Dudeist minister, bowling is a sacrament.
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#74  Postby Keep It Real » Feb 22, 2018 1:24 am

laklak wrote:There were posts about fucking? Shit, I missed them.


I believe Sigmund wrote a few books....
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#75  Postby Keep It Real » Feb 22, 2018 1:48 am

I'm off to bounce GCHQ again today - just waiting for a subjectively relatively civilised hour.
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Re: Do we live in a de facto post scarcity economy in Europe?

#76  Postby Fallible » Feb 22, 2018 6:37 am

:roll:
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Re: Do we live in a de facto post scarcity economy in Europe?

#77  Postby Keep It Real » Feb 22, 2018 5:09 pm

Thankfully I came to my senses after some more sleep and didn't do it. Thanks for the influence fal, yet again, eyeroll fully justified.
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Re: Do we live in a de facto post scarcity economy in Europe?

#78  Postby SafeAsMilk » Feb 22, 2018 5:14 pm

Does this mean you're now no longer in the mindset that people need to starve more?
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Re: Do we live in a de facto post scarcity economy in Europe?

#79  Postby Keep It Real » Feb 23, 2018 7:42 am

Strawman. I never said I think that SAM. I said "poverty/destitution basically only exists in Europe due to people spending too much of their money on fags/booze/drugs/Gucci handbags/gerbil food (etc ad infinitum obviously). Oh yeah and serious mental health problems.
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#80  Postby Fallible » Feb 23, 2018 7:44 am

And disability, and early abuse, and old age, and lack of education, and learning disabilities.
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