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Re: Is Welfare Efficient?

#41  Postby CdesignProponentsist » Jun 10, 2013 10:56 pm

FACT-MAN-2 wrote:
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Evidence?

CdesignProponentsist thinks poor people can't be trusted, whch is just more of his stereotypical bullshit that comes from absorbing too much right wing extremist propaganda. And to hear them tell it, we can't even trust our President.

There you go again.

I think people in general can't be trusted, I never said poor people. Thanks for speaking for me once again and trying to make me out to be a bigot.

Do you trust the pilot who flies the airliner you fly on?

Do you trust the engineers who deigned the bridge you drive over every day or the dam below which you live?

Do you trust your doctor to mind your health or to perform a surgical procedure you may need?

Do you trust the architect you hire to design your new home?

We all trust others every day of our lives; we trust the driver of the car coming the other way and assume he's not going to swerve over the line and hit us head-on.

Millions of people routinely trust millions of others as a common practice in ur daily lives, so common we rarely even think about it.

But you, you don't trust people in general. Must be an awfully paranoid life you lead.

Are you trustworthy? Can I trust you? You can certainy trust me.

Trust in others first arises from trust in oneself.


As far as I know collecting a check isn't a profession. You can't get fired from welfare, anyone can do it, and receiving a check is it's own incentive. About the only thing I trust a welfare recipient to do is to cash the check. Anything else would be foolish.

While not everyone on welfare is abusing it, but I'm sure you will find there are a significant many who are.

This isn't racist or bigoted, I just understand human nature; I happen to be human. I've been on unemployment and I've had friends on unemployment. I know how easy it is to become complacent when you are able to keep up with rent and your belly full.

Merely handing out a check does nothing but sustain the problem. That is all I'm saying.
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Re: Is Welfare Efficient?

#42  Postby FACT-MAN-2 » Jun 11, 2013 3:24 am

CdesignProponentsist wrote:
FACT-MAN-2 wrote:
CdesignProponentsist wrote:
FACT-MAN-2 wrote:
CdesignProponentsist thinks poor people can't be trusted, whch is just more of his stereotypical bullshit that comes from absorbing too much right wing extremist propaganda. And to hear them tell it, we can't even trust our President.

There you go again.

I think people in general can't be trusted, I never said poor people. Thanks for speaking for me once again and trying to make me out to be a bigot.

Do you trust the pilot who flies the airliner you fly on?

Do you trust the engineers who deigned the bridge you drive over every day or the dam below which you live?

Do you trust your doctor to mind your health or to perform a surgical procedure you may need?

Do you trust the architect you hire to design your new home?

We all trust others every day of our lives; we trust the driver of the car coming the other way and assume he's not going to swerve over the line and hit us head-on.

Millions of people routinely trust millions of others as a common practice in ur daily lives, so common we rarely even think about it.

But you, you don't trust people in general. Must be an awfully paranoid life you lead.

Are you trustworthy? Can I trust you? You can certainy trust me.

Trust in others first arises from trust in oneself.


As far as I know collecting a check isn't a profession. You can't get fired from welfare, anyone can do it, and receiving a check is it's own incentive. About the only thing I trust a welfare recipient to do is to cash the check. Anything else would be foolish.

While not everyone on welfare is abusing it, but I'm sure you will find there are a significant many who are.

This isn't racist or bigoted, I just understand human nature; I happen to be human. I've been on unemployment and I've had friends on unemployment. I know how easy it is to become complacent when you are able to keep up with rent and your belly full.

Merely handing out a check does nothing but sustain the problem. That is all I'm saying.

First, it's not "easy" and not "anyone" can do it, everyone who applies has to qualify and they have to document their qualifications, down to the "T." And, you can be "fired from it," just break one small rule and off you go.

You seem to believe those who are responsible for administering welfare are a bunch of slobs who just enjoy handing out checks. That's not the case at all. They are thorough, they ask lots of questions, they want to see documentation, they want to see proof. They've learned to spot the scooflaws a mile away. They re diligent people, it's very hard to get them to give you money.

Welfare is administered by States, which run various welfare programs together, usually under one agency, which has offices all round the State. The employees who work in these offices are almost always local people, almost always college educated. Good citizens all. You should have more faith (and trust) in these people knowing how to do their jobs and doing them, every day.

And as I've already said, checks (nor cash) are used; bank cards are used, and they have narrow limits on them for what they can be used to pay for and there are no cash advances. It's a very hard system to game. And if you try to game it anyway and get caught, boom! You're off the program in a heartbeat.

In effect, you're making a mountain out of a molehill.

Hey, we're all humans, we all possess some view or notion of what we think human nature entails. There can be great variation on this theme, look at you and I, light years apart on the idea of trusting people. Sure, there are some we can't trust, the salesman down at the local used car lot, the guy who wants to sell you snake oil as a cure for cancer, they're around. But the idea is learn to spot them so that by the time you're an adult you see them coming a mile away, and can avoid them and the negative impacts they can have on your life.

I would say you need to go visit a few welfare homes, meet those families, see how they live and what kinds of lives they lead, get to know them a little. I think you'd find that your preconceived notions of the kind of people they are would be shattered by this experience. There's nothing like a little reality check, otherwise, it's mostly just rumor.
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Re: Is Welfare Efficient?

#43  Postby Henrius » Jun 03, 2014 2:37 am

How efficient is government welfare?

If you had to rob Peter of $1 just to pay Paul $1, it would be bad enough morally.

However, there are administrative costs to government welfare programs. You have to rob Peter of about $1.30 to pay Paul $1. The 30 cents is needed to fund the transfer bureaucracy.

Right there is an efficiency drain on the economy.
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