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Re: The merits of buying people carbon credits as an xmas prezi

#81  Postby jamest » Nov 28, 2018 5:18 am

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felltoearth wrote:I never claimed to be Caeser [sic] Fuck you make this easy.

No, you did not. You're merely a serf to your own Rome, to the extent that you would tickle Rome's arse with whatever feather Rome demands.

The bottom-line is that you have strings.

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Re: The merits of buying people carbon credits as an xmas prezi

#82  Postby kiore » Nov 28, 2018 5:21 am

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You are not speaking for everyone. Most certainly not for me anyway.

I disagree with JamesT's crappy assertion for two reasons.

1. Almost all change on this planet, for worse as well as for better, happens because of selfishness.

What a load of bollocks. An ABSOLUTE load of bollocks. You cannot have read any history to assert such a conclusion, since if you had you'd have recognised that throughout history numerous people had sacrificed their own existence for the greater good. Many people have died, squire, for liberty.

2. Individually and collectively, we don't cease being selfish until we cease breathing.

Please desist from asserting that everyone is as selfish as yourself. Indeed, the very notion of political change wouldn't have been possible if everyone had agreed at the onset that the man with the biggest dick should always be king. Indeed, the idealistic political notions of democracy promotes the idea that our rulers are there for 'us' as a whole. But we've seen what a fucking farce that is, since most of the cunts who have been in charge have always promoted themselves foremost above said ideal. As you will witness from reasding history, as have I.

If JamesT were right, there'd be no hope for anyone ever. We'd be fucked. All of us.

There is no hope for anyone, ever, especially when your hopes involve palaces and yachts etc. for yourself. Which, let's be honest, is the primary hope for most of us.

I can forgive you for being of low intelligence in the same manner I can forgive someone for being born blind, but when you respond arrogantly to my previous post (as you have) it proves that your arsehole needs lubricating with something hairy and frozen.

My best advice to you, at this moment in time, is to shut the fuck up, or else have some vaseline ready by your side. People like YOU are precisely why humanity has suffered for eons. I'll be back, once I've rummaged through my freezer.

Once upon a time I found your little tantrums moderately entertaining. Monotonous repetitions make them tedious to the extent that I'd be lying if I told you that I read the entirety of this one. You have joined the group of forum members whose posts I merely skim through. If you keep it up, you'll be promoted to the group whose posts get the scrollwheel treatment. :mrgreen:

Then I have no reposte, other to inform you that your strings dictate that you are a dick of the highest order. That's not even a political point. It's just a judgement upon the state of your strings. And since my philosophy ultimately holds the puppet accountable for the state of its own strings, then your arsehole is thus fucked.



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Re: The merits of buying people carbon credits as an xmas prezi

#83  Postby felltoearth » Nov 28, 2018 5:35 am

jamest wrote:
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felltoearth wrote:I never claimed to be Caeser [sic] Fuck you make this easy.

No, you did not. You're merely a serf to your own Rome, to the extent that you would tickle Rome's arse with whatever feather Rome demands.

The bottom-line is that you have strings.

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#84  Postby SafeAsMilk » Nov 28, 2018 6:47 am

Boy it didn't take long for the ol' badger to come out. Those God revelations are fleeting!
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#85  Postby Fallible » Nov 28, 2018 7:58 am

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jamest wrote:The simple fact is that you're accusing me of me being drunk when my posts here tonight have been intelligent and devoid of grammatical flaw throughout.


That should be 'flaws' james.

I'm not sure that I agree, since when used as an index of the whole, the single parameter shoud apply.


'Should'*. It doesn't matter. Your posts are in fact littered with grammatical and other errors (I highlighted another for you above), so it's really not helpful for you to use their supposed absence as proof that you weren't drunk. When you come back, try hard to do better.
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Re: The merits of buying people carbon credits as an xmas prezi

#86  Postby Keep It Real » Nov 28, 2018 11:53 am

I think perhaps somebody ought to start a thread in philosophy called "are all actions, including apparently "empathic" ones, ultimately selfish?" when they return from their holiday. I'll keep trying to do the right thing until that thread reaches a firm conclusion, at least (forever, in other words.)
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#87  Postby Keep It Real » Nov 28, 2018 12:17 pm

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Re: The merits of buying people carbon credits as an xmas prezi

#88  Postby Thommo » Nov 28, 2018 12:20 pm

Hello. Late to the thread. Not sure I've learned much.

I do think I know some people who might like a carbon credit as a Christmas present (maybe just a small one as a supplement to a main gift) and I can see that it might lead them to be aware of the scheme if they weren't already, or bring it back to the front of their mind if they were. I'm quite fond of the idea that changes can come incrementally through making consideration of important issues part of daily life and daily thought, even if only insofar as it changes the agenda of elected politicians, and perhaps which politicians get elected.

The scheme itself clearly has some flaws, such as those underlined by Regina, but I don't think they totally countervail the merit of offsetting. I think I discussed some of that with Hermit in a more productive thread a while back.

Not a bad idea, KIR. :thumbup:
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#89  Postby LucidFlight » Nov 28, 2018 12:31 pm

That's twice I've seen the word countervail in less than two days, and from different sources.
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#90  Postby Macdoc » Nov 28, 2018 7:33 pm

Perhaps she should let David Suzuki how misguided he is....

https://davidsuzuki.org/what-you-can-do/carbon-offsets/

It's abundantly evident how misguided a few are here.. :nono:
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#91  Postby Regina » Nov 28, 2018 9:56 pm

Macdoc wrote:Perhaps she should let David Suzuki how misguided he is....

https://davidsuzuki.org/what-you-can-do/carbon-offsets/

It's abundantly evident how misguided a few are here.. :nono:

I totally agree! :thumbup: Self-awareness is a great thing.
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Re: The merits of buying people carbon credits as an xmas prezi

#92  Postby Keep It Real » Dec 05, 2018 5:27 pm

Just got an email reply from GlosCAN (Gloucestershire Climate Action Network) about this - I guess I know what I'll be doing tomorrow! :cheers:

The 'carbon reductions' as Christmas presents idea is a very interesting one. I am wondering whether this might make a good, topical blog-post? If you would like to put the text into a format that will fit that, perhaps with a couple of links and references it would be good to publish it. I hope it would bring in a few comments.

I will also put it by for the next newsletter, although that is not due for a little while yet.
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#93  Postby LucidFlight » Dec 05, 2018 5:34 pm

A topical “blog-post”? Are they managed by jamest? I guess you’ll be writing a blog post, then. Nice one!
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#94  Postby Keep It Real » Dec 05, 2018 5:37 pm

Innit! Tickled pink I am! I'll link to that David Suzuki page I reckon :plot:
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#95  Postby Keep It Real » Dec 05, 2018 9:32 pm

I hope Fal, US, Lucid et al will proofread it when I post it in this thread in a day or two when it's written, as with the Christians/AGW item.
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Re: The merits of buying people carbon credits as an xmas prezi

#96  Postby gobshite » Dec 05, 2018 10:21 pm

jamest wrote:Whilst it is admirable that certain individuals are intent on saving the planet by themselves by reducing their OWN carbon imprint, this is a fucking joke.


You're damn right! The world is just a figment of the universe's sole consciousness (yours) imagination. How can an imaginary world have real physical processes? :mrgreen:
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Re: The merits of buying people carbon credits as an xmas prezi

#97  Postby gobshite » Dec 05, 2018 10:23 pm

felltoearth wrote:
SafeAsMilk wrote:That's a great post.

I actually don’t agree. He’s basically saying “Won’t somebody DO SOMETHING???11!1!1!??!1”

People are selfish. Wow. What a deep observation.

Zero solutions.


I saw at least one solution there - usurp the fucking lunatics running the asylum. I agree with james. This is about the only hope we have of averting disaster.
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#98  Postby gobshite » Dec 05, 2018 10:24 pm

Cito di Pense wrote:
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felltoearth wrote:For the ignorant, here is how carbon offsets work:

https://davidsuzuki.org/what-you-can-do/carbon-offsets/

from your link:

"The buyers of the offsets benefit because they can claim that their purchase resulted in new non-polluting energy, which they can use to mitigate their own greenhouse gas emissions. The buyers may also save money as it may be less expensive for them to purchase offsets than to eliminate their own emissions.*
As I said, it works beautifully. Pollute first, buy indulgences later.

Except indulgences didn't actually do anything. In this case, carbon offsets result in new non-polluting energy, which mitigates their own emissions. It's right there in the thing you quoted. So maybe try finding an analogy that actually works?


When we can directly fund a project that removes greenhouse gases from the atmosphere, then we'll be offsetting something.


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Re: The merits of buying people carbon credits as an xmas prezi

#99  Postby Thommo » Dec 05, 2018 10:32 pm

gobshite wrote:
Cito di Pense wrote:When we can directly fund a project that removes greenhouse gases from the atmosphere, then we'll be offsetting something.


Tree planting.


I was interested to note that that was singled out for exclusion in the David Suzuki link.

https://davidsuzuki.org/what-you-can-do/carbon-offsets/
One issue to consider is the offset project type. For example, although quite popular, offsets from tree-planting projects are problematic for a number of reasons, including their lack of permanence and the fact that these projects do not address our dependence on fossil fuels.

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The Gold Standard is widely considered to be the highest standard in the world for carbon offsets. It ensures that key environmental criteria have been met by offset projects that carry its label. Significantly, only offsets from energy efficiency and renewable-energy projects qualify for the Gold Standard, as these projects encourage a shift away from fossil-fuel use and carry inherently low environmental risks. Tree-planting projects are explicitly excluded by The Gold Standard.
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#100  Postby gobshite » Dec 05, 2018 10:41 pm

Sure. I wasn't meaning to suggest it was part of the particular offset in the OP. But regarding the "lack of permanence", this is a potential problem, but once you plant a forest it tends to be self sustaining - i.e. new growth follows on from senescence. So in that sense they are permanent.
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