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Re: The merits of buying people carbon credits as an xmas prezi

#21  Postby Regina » Nov 26, 2018 10:48 pm

Keep It Real wrote:You think AGW ameliorators are primarily motivated by greed? Fuck that.

I don't think anything, the people on that site appear to.
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Re: The merits of buying people carbon credits as an xmas prezi

#22  Postby SafeAsMilk » Nov 27, 2018 1:21 am

Regina wrote:
felltoearth wrote:For the ignorant, here is how carbon offsets work:

https://davidsuzuki.org/what-you-can-do/carbon-offsets/

from your link:

"The buyers of the offsets benefit because they can claim that their purchase resulted in new non-polluting energy, which they can use to mitigate their own greenhouse gas emissions. The buyers may also save money as it may be less expensive for them to purchase offsets than to eliminate their own emissions.*
As I said, it works beautifully. Pollute first, buy indulgences later.

Except indulgences didn't actually do anything. In this case, carbon offsets result in new non-polluting energy, which mitigates their own emissions. It's right there in the thing you quoted. So maybe try finding an analogy that actually works?
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#23  Postby jamest » Nov 27, 2018 1:31 am

Whilst it is admirable that certain individuals are intent on saving the planet by themselves by reducing their OWN carbon imprint, this is a fucking joke. As is the recycling malarkey industry.

The current population of the Earth, according to google, is fast approaching 8 billion. Only a very small minority of these people are educated enough and have sufficient funds to enable them to partake in such endeavours - even if they care, which they obviously don't. I mean, the current President of the USA rejects the notion of global warming and the Chinese are still burning coal for fun.

For the most part, nobody gives a shit about anything except in the short-term and for themselves.

THAT is the problem with most of humanity: that MOST of them don't give a fuck about anybody beyond themselves, their family/friends, or perhaps their own nation. And that is precisely why even now in the 21st century, on the brink of oblivion, only a relative handful of people are actually doing anything to save the planet.

If you really want to change the world as swiftly as it needs to be changed, then forget about solar panels and carbon credits. Instead, get off your fucking shit-scared arses and do SOMETHING to usurp the fucking lunatics who are running the asylum. For until we reach a point where the people governing us do so for our sakes as a WHOLE, we are fucked, forever destined to put selfish politics above selfless politics.

From my overarching and selfless perspective, the efforts and intent of you few good people are hence indeed admirable, but you must all be fucking stupid to think that it's going to matter one jot in the long-term.

NOTHING is going to change on this planet until selfishness is defeated. FACT. Selfishness is our demise, not carbon.

At least one of us, eventually, had the nous to put the records straight. Somebody somewhere should chisel this post into marble and place it on Mount Sinai.
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#24  Postby SafeAsMilk » Nov 27, 2018 2:21 am

That's a great post.
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#25  Postby jamest » Nov 27, 2018 2:34 am

Given the significance of the issue here and in recognition of your ill-feelings towards me generally, your response is greater than my post. Thank you.
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#26  Postby felltoearth » Nov 27, 2018 4:30 am

SafeAsMilk wrote:That's a great post.

I actually don’t agree. He’s basically saying “Won’t somebody DO SOMETHING???11!1!1!??!1”

People are selfish. Wow. What a deep observation.

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Re: The merits of buying people carbon credits as an xmas prezi

#27  Postby SafeAsMilk » Nov 27, 2018 5:45 am

felltoearth wrote:
SafeAsMilk wrote:That's a great post.

I actually don’t agree. He’s basically saying “Won’t somebody DO SOMETHING???11!1!1!??!1”

People are selfish. Wow. What a deep observation.

Zero solutions.

I dunno, that chiseling into marble part was top-notch.
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Re: The merits of buying people carbon credits as an xmas prezi

#28  Postby Cito di Pense » Nov 27, 2018 6:11 am

SafeAsMilk wrote:
Regina wrote:
felltoearth wrote:For the ignorant, here is how carbon offsets work:

https://davidsuzuki.org/what-you-can-do/carbon-offsets/

from your link:

"The buyers of the offsets benefit because they can claim that their purchase resulted in new non-polluting energy, which they can use to mitigate their own greenhouse gas emissions. The buyers may also save money as it may be less expensive for them to purchase offsets than to eliminate their own emissions.*
As I said, it works beautifully. Pollute first, buy indulgences later.

Except indulgences didn't actually do anything. In this case, carbon offsets result in new non-polluting energy, which mitigates their own emissions. It's right there in the thing you quoted. So maybe try finding an analogy that actually works?


When we can directly fund a project that removes greenhouse gases from the atmosphere, then we'll be offsetting something. Otherwise, what offsetting a personal carbon footprint does is license the holier-than-thou attitude that conducts inquisitions on "what have you done lately for the planet?" We've been all through the "plant a tree for peace" routine. For the time being, offsets appear mainly to be financial instruments that allow polluters to defer taking more useful action. Industrial concerns that build non-polluting energy installations do so because they can make it profitable, and not because somebody bought somebody else a xmas prezi. Public piety is alive and well, thanks very much.
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#29  Postby Keep It Real » Nov 27, 2018 11:20 am

jamest wrote:The current population of the Earth, according to google, is fast approaching 8 billion. Only a very small minority of these people are educated enough and have sufficient funds to enable them to partake in such endeavours - even if they care, which they obviously don't.


Lots of people, increasingly so, care a lot about AGW actually jt, according to my observations. I think most likely you're projecting your own apathy/guilt/hopelessness RE the issue onto, you know, the entire human race pretty much. Guess what? wearing thermal hats and clothes indoors and turning down the thermostat actually SAVES money, as does reducing consumption in general! How convenient!

jamest wrote:I mean, the current President of the USA rejects the notion of global warming and the Chinese are still burning coal for fun.


Ah yes the "what's the point in trying because the Chinese bla bla bla" line. I mean really, Jesus wept. Here's what South Park has to say about that one:



jamest wrote:If you really want to change the world as swiftly as it needs to be changed, then forget about solar panels and carbon credits. Instead, get off your fucking shit-scared arses and do SOMETHING to usurp the fucking lunatics who are running the asylum.


If the population all prioritised limiting their own carbon footprint that would suffice, most likely. Some people like to blame it all on the government because it lets them off the hook. Pathetic. There isn't a general election any time soon. Both government and citizens need play their part IMO. You've only got one vote, but it matters and use it responsibly. You've only got one carbon footprint etc...
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#30  Postby surreptitious57 » Nov 27, 2018 11:37 am

james wrote:
NOTHING is going to change on this planet until selfishness is defeated

You finally manage to say something that everyone here can agree with
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#31  Postby Cito di Pense » Nov 27, 2018 11:52 am

Keep It Real wrote:
Lots of people, increasingly so, care a lot about AGW actually jt, according to my observations.


So we're told, anyway. I don't buy it simply because somebody says he cares about AGW. I won't be inveigled into entering a contest to prove how much I care by means of what I write in an obscure internet forum. I can write anything that satisfies you.
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#32  Postby felltoearth » Nov 27, 2018 1:20 pm

surreptitious57 wrote:
james wrote:
NOTHING is going to change on this planet until selfishness is defeated

You finally manage to say something that everyone here can agree with


The irony here is that carbon offsets uses self-interst as a tool for it to be effective. IOW jamest has once again defeated his own argument.
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#33  Postby Cito di Pense » Nov 27, 2018 2:02 pm

felltoearth wrote:
surreptitious57 wrote:
james wrote:
NOTHING is going to change on this planet until selfishness is defeated

You finally manage to say something that everyone here can agree with


The irony here is that carbon offsets uses self-interst as a tool for it to be effective. IOW jamest has once again defeated his own argument.


And you believe that. Let me introduce you to the guy who thinks a medium is in communication with the guy's dead cat.

It's not self-interest at all. None of us will live long enough to reap the rewards. It's anxiety and fear of disaster. You know where that word comes from: "Bad star". Offsets are bought in the interest of posterity or some other airy-fairy notion. I don't have any posterity, didn't want any, and so my posterity is not leaving a carbon footprint.

Are you cluing in to the carbon footprint of raising some git to adulthood? Offset that, my friends.

Tell me about irony, again.
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#34  Postby Fallible » Nov 27, 2018 2:27 pm

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#35  Postby Keep It Real » Nov 27, 2018 3:20 pm

Gold Standard climate change, er, reducers, can be purchased here: https://www.goldstandard.org/get-involved/make-an-impact

Calculate your personal approximate carbon footprint here: http://wwf.panda.org/get_involved/live_green/footprint_calculator/

Mine's around 10 tons PA. I would imagine most of my friends/relatives are around twice that...should be able to make up for around 15% of their annual footprints then by doing this (as well as all the other good things detailed in the OP).
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#36  Postby laklak » Nov 27, 2018 3:22 pm

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#37  Postby Keep It Real » Nov 27, 2018 3:38 pm

No you can't.
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#38  Postby LucidFlight » Nov 27, 2018 3:53 pm

Keep It Real wrote:Gold Standard climate change, er, reducers, can be purchased here: https://www.goldstandard.org/get-involved/make-an-impact

Calculate your personal approximate carbon footprint here: http://wwf.panda.org/get_involved/live_green/footprint_calculator/

Mine's around 10 tons PA. I would imagine most of my friends/relatives are around twice that...should be able to make up for around 15% of their annual footprints then by doing this (as well as all the other good things detailed in the OP).


Shit. Do I have to do my other homes as well?

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#39  Postby Keep It Real » Nov 27, 2018 3:59 pm

Charlie says: always tell your mummy before you fly off somewhere
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#40  Postby LucidFlight » Nov 27, 2018 4:56 pm

Ooh, I can get mine down to 96% if I say that the flights are for business. Cool!
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