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Re: Australia: NSW ethics trial puts SRE under threat

#41  Postby Bolero » Sep 07, 2010 11:33 pm

:cheers: Great letter!
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Re: Australia: NSW ethics trial puts SRE under threat

#42  Postby Made of Stars » Sep 07, 2010 11:36 pm

Didn't get published, but a number of others did, and one had a highlight border around it.
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Re: Australia: NSW ethics trial puts SRE under threat

#43  Postby DanDare » Sep 08, 2010 12:46 pm

The Inter-Church Commission on Religious Education in Schools noted in its submission the apology of the Education Minister, Verity Firth, ''regarding the lack of consultation with any SRE [special religious education] stakeholders prior to the introduction of the lessons''.

Why should the SRE "stakeholders" have to be consulted at all? Do they get consulted about history curriculum, or maths?
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Re: Australia: NSW ethics trial puts SRE under threat

#44  Postby Made of Stars » Sep 29, 2010 10:00 am

A North Shore Times article on Barry O'Farrell's view of SRE:

http://north-shore-times.whereilive.com ... hics-test/

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#45  Postby Made of Stars » Sep 29, 2010 10:02 am

Send an email to Barry O'Farrell, via parents4ethics:

http://parents4ethics.org/email-barry/
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Re: Australia: NSW ethics trial puts SRE under threat

#46  Postby Bolero » Oct 22, 2010 4:55 am

Looks like ethics classes are going ahead - awesome steps forward for Australia. Now let's hope the rest of the country follows suit (it may take us another decade or so up here in QLD, though).

http://www.smh.com.au/national/education/labor-to-defy-churches-ethics-classes-likely-to-start-next-year-20101019-16sl0.html

Why are these "controversial", is what I want to know?!
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What happens in ethics classes?

#47  Postby Bolero » Oct 22, 2010 4:57 am

Interesting youtube video on what's happening in Australian schools' ethics classes. Yay!

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCuArmX6W2s[/youtube]
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#48  Postby Bolero » Oct 22, 2010 5:01 am

And a nice little commentary on the issue by Kitty Flanagan (not my favourite comic, but this is a good piece).

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#49  Postby Made of Stars » Oct 22, 2010 7:12 am

It's not a done deal yet. If you're in NSW, visit parents4ethics.org for links to email pollies.
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#50  Postby Made of Stars » Oct 23, 2010 1:51 pm

Thanks for sharing, B.
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Re: Australia: NSW ethics trial puts SRE under threat

#51  Postby Durro » Oct 23, 2010 10:56 pm


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Re: Australia: NSW ethics trial puts SRE under threat

#52  Postby Crocodile » Oct 24, 2010 7:36 am

CherryBomb - Being a NSW resident I am more worried about what these children will become when grown up. Thanks to religious indoctrination (in STATE schools!) children will grow up all fucked in the mind.

The worst part is that this is another avenue for potential bullying. I say that because of the intolerance that Christian schools I have been to promote; imagine what they get taught at scripture time!

I find it ridiculous that taxpayer's money also has to fund a scheme which non-christian children being forced to sit out of scripture lessons while others can get brainwashed by the government system.
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Re: Australia: NSW ethics trial puts SRE under threat

#53  Postby Bolero » Oct 25, 2010 3:38 am

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Thanks Durro. Sorry - wasn't sure where to put it, and wanted a few people who might not have been reading this thread to see it. Still, it's a fair call in terms of keeping the boards uncluttered.

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Re: Australia: NSW ethics trial puts SRE under threat

#54  Postby Made of Stars » Oct 26, 2010 12:14 pm

Great article in the National Times:

Teach kids how to think, not what to believe

Nina Funnell wrote:Unlike moralising sermons, which strictly dictate right from wrong, these classes are designed to teach children how to think through the complex process of working out what is ethical or unethical (or somewhere in between) in any given dilemma.
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Re: Australia: NSW ethics trial puts SRE under threat

#55  Postby Bolero » Oct 26, 2010 10:08 pm

That is a good article - and mostly positive comments. One commenter hit the nail on the head for me, saying that religion shouldn't be part of the state school system at all.
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Re: Australia: NSW ethics trial puts SRE under threat

#56  Postby DanDare » Nov 06, 2010 11:51 am

Special Religious Education: the good, the bad and the ugly
By Catherine Byrne
ABC Religion and Ethics | 1 Nov 2010
Special Religious Education (SRE) is currently centre stage in NSW education. The potential ethics alternative to SRE, if it happens, will be an historic change of policy. Many are declaring that SRE is one thing or another, and can only be this or that. But the closer you look, the more intricate and nuanced the arguments, the more Mandelbrot and illusive the truth.

So, at this time, when standpoint perspectives are being defended and some views are being dismissed or not heard, or perhaps not even voiced, it is worth making the effort to get a fuller sense of just what is at stake.


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Christian advantage
In many regions, SRE options are limited to "Christianity" or "non-scripture." In some schools, if parents do not formally opt out, the default is Christian scripture. This is not policy, simply poor practice.


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Discrimination
20 per cent of parents surveyed claimed they felt pressure to enrol their child in a religious option. Schools do not want to deal with large numbers opting out.

A retiring teacher recently told me that "We always encouraged parents not to take the non-scripture option and tried to keep those numbers as low as possible."


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Segregation
Religion is the only subject in which parents have control of their child's curriculum. They do not have similar ability to limit their child's curriculum exposure in politics and government to only a liberal view. Nor are parents able to specify only free market theory in economics.


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Lack of accountability
Teachers are generally highly qualified individuals who undergo significant scrutiny before being given the responsibility of moulding young minds.

SRE administration is largely outside departmental jurisdiction. Schools are "not responsible for" lesson content. Trained teachers are only allowed to attend "with the agreement of the SRE volunteer."

Complaints about poor teaching are referred back to the religious bodies. The policy cleverly writes out government accountability. This has consequences.

When it comes to scripture classes in NSW, almost anything goes. There is no monitoring of student numbers, volunteer qualifications or theological fervour.

The Education Department has no requirements regarding content, pedagogical approach or outcomes. Even the assurance that volunteers are not criminals is outsourced to the sponsoring religious organisation to avoid liability.


and much, much more....

Especially read the comments after. The Australian Christian Lobby must have sent in the troops.
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