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#1  Postby Emmeline » Mar 28, 2010 9:23 am

Hundreds of heads and church leaders oppose sex lessons for seven-year-olds
Compulsory sex education in primary schools will erode moral standards and encourage sexual experimentation, a group of hundreds of head teachers, school governors and faith leaders say today.

In a letter to The Sunday Telegraph, 640 signatories, including Catholic bishops, parish priests, university professors, councillors and doctors, call for legislation to be dropped which will see children as young as seven taught about sex and relationships.

From September next year, primary school pupils will learn about puberty, sexual intercourse, marriage and the risk of abuse and domestic violence.

Ministers have argued that currently, sex education starts too late and that improved, earlier lessons are needed to counter teenage pregnancy, increasingly explicit storylines in films and television soap operas, as well as exposure to pornography online and through mobile phones.

The Children, Schools and Families Bill, which is at committee stage in the Lords, will introduce compulsory sex education for children from the age of seven.

It will also remove the rights of parents to "opt out" and withdraw their children from lessons, once their children have reached the age of 15.
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#2  Postby Aern Rakesh » Mar 28, 2010 10:01 am

If this bill goes through, I wonder how many parents will take advantage of the 'opt out' clause, which will still exist for pupils in primary school.

I went to a very interesting workshop on religion and SRE (Sex and Relationship Education), and the argument they felt that would be most convincing to parents who want to withdraw their children from SRE on various religious grounds was that their kids were going to find out about sex anyway through exposure to it online and from their friends and via their phones. Hence it is far better for kids to be taught about it in classes where their welfare was the prime consideration.
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#3  Postby Millefleur » Mar 28, 2010 10:38 am

I had sex ed lessons in primary school, in the last 2 years so aged 9 and 10. They were very basic, how the reproductive system works, menstruation, differences between men and women, puberty and a very basic rundown of sex itself and conception. I would be happy for my daughters to have the same though if starting at 7 I think it should also be covered each subsequent year in a little more detail, if thats not already the plan.

Its good they want to include domestic violence but is marriage itself really necessary, is it just to keep the religios happy?
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#4  Postby blackarmada » Mar 28, 2010 10:55 am

My sex education begun at 14.

We were shown a video tape that about a pregnant woman and given my first glimpse of a woman's vagina on a television.

Moments later, we saw a baby's head popped out of it.

Instantly, that stunted the sexual curiosity of a lot of young boys.

If the church is so concerned about teenage sex and pregnancy, i reckon that video would help.
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#5  Postby mrjonno » Mar 28, 2010 12:06 pm

Sex education should be begin way before pubery which is what like 8-10 for a lot of kids these days
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#6  Postby Orange Proximity » Mar 28, 2010 12:19 pm

When will the child fucking priesthood realise that they are the last cunts who should talk about anything to do with the kids and should just shut the fuck up?!

We have seen what the churches do to little boys and girls... How about you let those who can still be trusted educate the kids?

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#7  Postby I'm With Stupid » Mar 28, 2010 12:27 pm

Compulsory sex education in primary schools will erode moral standards and encourage sexual experimentation, a group of hundreds of head teachers, school governors and faith leaders say today.

As usual, evidence or fuck off. But I'm not holding my breath. :roll:
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#8  Postby dalv8409 » Mar 28, 2010 1:01 pm

Once again religions are using the fucking myth that only religions can make people have morals and that anything that goes against religion is immoral. They always ignore the evidence from the Netherlands that cause sex education starts early there as a result there are less teenage pregnancies and less infections of STIs etc. But of course trying to talk to them is like talking to a wall.

This is religions version of Sex Education:
God decides if a woman gets pregnant
Same sex relationships is wrong
Condoms and other contraceptives are evil and against God
STIs are God's punishment for having sex before marriage

Since the main parties here are religions lapdogs anyway they will give in to what they want and then the amount of teenage pregnancies will increase along with the number of STI infections.
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#9  Postby dalv8409 » Mar 28, 2010 1:03 pm

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Compulsory sex education in primary schools will erode moral standards and encourage sexual experimentation, a group of hundreds of head teachers, school governors and faith leaders say today.

As usual, evidence or fuck off. But I'm not holding my breath. :roll:


Well since religion is the biggest industry they have the money to fake the evidence.
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#10  Postby Horwood Beer-Master » Mar 28, 2010 1:10 pm

Hundreds of heads and church leaders oppose sex lessons for seven-year-olds ...

Tough shit, it's the national curriculum. :coffee:
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#11  Postby I'm With Stupid » Mar 28, 2010 1:22 pm

dalv8409 wrote:Once again religions are using the fucking myth that only religions can make people have morals and that anything that goes against religion is immoral. They always ignore the evidence from the Netherlands that cause sex education starts early there as a result there are less teenage pregnancies and less infections of STIs etc. But of course trying to talk to them is like talking to a wall.

It's not that they ignore the evidence, it's that they genuinely don't give a shit. When you realise that these church leaders have no interest in actually doing anything to combat teen pregnancies, you'll realise where they're coming from. Taking their arguments at face value would be like taking Nick Griffin's arguments on the basis of a genuine concern for British jobs. When you realise he's actually just a racist bastard, it all makes more sense. And when you realise that all these religions are interested is imposing themselves on the rest of society, it makes sense too.
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#12  Postby dalv8409 » Mar 28, 2010 1:27 pm

I'm With Stupid wrote:
dalv8409 wrote:Once again religions are using the fucking myth that only religions can make people have morals and that anything that goes against religion is immoral. They always ignore the evidence from the Netherlands that cause sex education starts early there as a result there are less teenage pregnancies and less infections of STIs etc. But of course trying to talk to them is like talking to a wall.

It's not that they ignore the evidence, it's that they genuinely don't give a shit. When you realise that these church leaders have no interest in actually doing anything to combat teen pregnancies, you'll realise where they're coming from. Taking their arguments at face value would be like taking Nick Griffin's arguments on the basis of a genuine concern for British jobs. When you realise he's actually just a racist bastard, it all makes more sense. And when you realise that all these religions are interested is imposing themselves on the rest of society, it makes sense too.


Good point and also they don't give a shit about anything except themselves but their followers don't realise that, religions won't stop til they overtake everything in society and they have the money to buy their way into it as well. One of the reasons why I think religions are against contraceptives in general is because they want more followers and they don't care how they get them even if they have STIs or HIV 'Better quantity then quality" so to speak.
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#13  Postby Teshi » Apr 08, 2010 12:13 pm

To be clear, "sex education" for seven year olds is usually a lot of discussion about families-- it is here in Canada-- and how girls and boys are different and maybe 'how babies are made'. It's not exactly advanced or liscentious. Everyone screams, "they're teaching our children how to have sex!"

No, late night television is teaching your children how to have sex. Sex Ed is teaching them how to deal with this inevitable knowledge.
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#14  Postby trubble76 » Apr 08, 2010 12:40 pm

Good ol' church. Their argument is essentially ignorance is bliss. Keep the kids dumb, that'll stop them from getting into trouble.

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#15  Postby Scot Dutchy » Apr 08, 2010 12:44 pm

They are talking here about reducing the age limit!
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#16  Postby Aern Rakesh » Apr 08, 2010 12:57 pm

Teshi wrote:Everyone screams, "they're teaching our children how to have sex!"

No, late night television is teaching your children how to have sex. Sex Ed is teaching them how to deal with this inevitable knowledge.


Not to mention porn downloaded on mobile phones and viewed during recess!
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#17  Postby Jain » Apr 08, 2010 7:59 pm

Interesting yet I think 7 is a bit young, my daughter is 7 and very bright. I think when she is 8 she may be ready for more info on sex ed. Not yet though.
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#18  Postby Teshi » Apr 09, 2010 12:56 am

7 may be too young to learn about sex, but it's not to learn about relationships, threatening situations, marriage/families and babies. I looked at the Ontario curriculum. Students have to start learning about puberty changes in Grade 4 (ages 8-9-10). In Grade 3 (7-8-9), they talk about what I described above. In grade 2, it's about "stages of growth" which is like non-sexual changes (e.g. your hair turns grey when you get old).

However, it's called "Human Development and Sexual Health" from Kindergarten upwards.
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#19  Postby I'm With Stupid » Apr 09, 2010 1:07 am

It's quite simple. The Netherlands win at this, so copy whatever they do. But no, we have this attitude of, "well Barcelona are the best football team in the world, but I think Scunthorpe have some interesting ideas on the sport." :crazy:
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#20  Postby Agi Hammerthief » Apr 09, 2010 5:57 am

trubble76 wrote:Good ol' church. Their argument is essentially ignorance is bliss. Keep the kids dumb, that'll stop them from getting into trouble.

:roll:

it will stop them from thinking what goes on in the confesional is not "normal" and make them easier to shut up.
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