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Is a secular education a form of child abuse?

#1  Postby thedistillers » Mar 12, 2010 1:57 am

One of the outrageous claims made by some fundy atheists is that a religious education is a form of child abuse.

But all parents who educate their children share a set of values to their children regardless of their worldview! One could claim that a secular education is based on "reason" (unlike a religious education), but if there is no such Person as God, then there is no objective morality, purpose, or value. So according to what ojective standard are secular values reasonable? If God does not exist, then a parent could decide for example that we should live our life in the image of darwinian evolution, and kill the weak. Why would it be wrong?

It seems to me that if Christianity is true, then a secular education is a form of child abuse, for children are not being told the Good News, and are being educated according to a set of random values, based on worldview with no objective morality, purpose or value.
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#2  Postby mmmcheezy » Mar 12, 2010 1:59 am

Why don't you take a little walk over to the other threads you started and answer the remaining questions before you move on to a new one, m'kay?
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#3  Postby Moonwatcher » Mar 12, 2010 2:04 am

mmmcheezy wrote:Why don't you take a little walk over to the other threads you started and answer the remaining questions before you move on to a new one, m'kay?


Good answer. Bsides the thread flopped at the end of the OP post anyway when he said, "If Christianity is true..."
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#4  Postby I D of E S » Mar 12, 2010 2:06 am

thedistillers wrote:One of the outrageous claims made by some fundy atheists is that a religious education is a form of child abuse.

But all parents who educate their children share a set of values to their children regardless of their worldview! One could claim that a secular education is based on "reason" (unlike a religious education), but if there is no such Person as God, then there is no objective morality, purpose, or value. So according to what ojective standard are secular values reasonable? If God does not exist, then a parent could decide for example that we should live our life in the image of darwinian evolution, and kill the weak. Why would it be wrong?

It seems to me that if Christianity is true, then a secular education is a form of child abuse, for children are not being told the Good News, and are being educated according to a set of random values, based on worldview with no objective morality, purpose or value.


What a complete load of shite. Oh and the bastardisation of evolution or any other scientific theory will go down very badly here.
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#5  Postby Thommo » Mar 12, 2010 2:08 am

Well, obviously a secular education isn't a form of child abuse. Which secular class do you think could be?

English?
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P.E.?
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#6  Postby xsmooth_criminalx » Mar 12, 2010 2:09 am

Thommo wrote:Well, obviously a secular education isn't a form of child abuse. Which secular class do you think could be?

English?
Maths?
P.E.?


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#7  Postby thedistillers » Mar 12, 2010 2:11 am

I D of E S wrote:
thedistillers wrote:One of the outrageous claims made by some fundy atheists is that a religious education is a form of child abuse.

But all parents who educate their children share a set of values to their children regardless of their worldview! One could claim that a secular education is based on "reason" (unlike a religious education), but if there is no such Person as God, then there is no objective morality, purpose, or value. So according to what ojective standard are secular values reasonable? If God does not exist, then a parent could decide for example that we should live our life in the image of darwinian evolution, and kill the weak. Why would it be wrong?

It seems to me that if Christianity is true, then a secular education is a form of child abuse, for children are not being told the Good News, and are being educated according to a set of random values, based on worldview with no objective morality, purpose or value.


What a complete load of shite. Oh and the bastardisation of evolution or any other scientific theory will go down very badly here.


Well tell me, if atheism is true (ie, if there is no such Person as God), how do you distinguish between a good parent and a bad parent? According to what standard is it wrong to beat your children, if a secular education is based on the "what doesn't kill you make you stronger" point of view?
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#8  Postby Viraldi » Mar 12, 2010 2:12 am

Thommo wrote:Well, obviously a secular education isn't a form of child abuse. Which secular class do you think could be?

I have a feeling he's troubled in science classes without the mention of any deity intervening.
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#9  Postby mmmcheezy » Mar 12, 2010 2:12 am

thedistillers wrote:
I D of E S wrote:
thedistillers wrote:One of the outrageous claims made by some fundy atheists is that a religious education is a form of child abuse.

But all parents who educate their children share a set of values to their children regardless of their worldview! One could claim that a secular education is based on "reason" (unlike a religious education), but if there is no such Person as God, then there is no objective morality, purpose, or value. So according to what ojective standard are secular values reasonable? If God does not exist, then a parent could decide for example that we should live our life in the image of darwinian evolution, and kill the weak. Why would it be wrong?

It seems to me that if Christianity is true, then a secular education is a form of child abuse, for children are not being told the Good News, and are being educated according to a set of random values, based on worldview with no objective morality, purpose or value.


What a complete load of shite. Oh and the bastardisation of evolution or any other scientific theory will go down very badly here.


Well tell me, if atheism is true (ie, if there is no such Person as God), how do you distinguish between a good parent and a bad parent? According to what standard is it wrong to beat your children, if a secular education is based the "what doesn't kill you make you stronger" point of view?


ATHEISM IS NOT EITHER TRUE/FALSE. IT IS MERELY A STATEMENT THAT ONE DOES NOT BELIEVE IN GODS. IT IS NOT A POSITIVE STATEMENT THAT GOD DOES NOT EXIST.
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#10  Postby thedistillers » Mar 12, 2010 2:13 am

mmmcheezy wrote:
thedistillers wrote:
I D of E S wrote:
thedistillers wrote:One of the outrageous claims made by some fundy atheists is that a religious education is a form of child abuse.

But all parents who educate their children share a set of values to their children regardless of their worldview! One could claim that a secular education is based on "reason" (unlike a religious education), but if there is no such Person as God, then there is no objective morality, purpose, or value. So according to what ojective standard are secular values reasonable? If God does not exist, then a parent could decide for example that we should live our life in the image of darwinian evolution, and kill the weak. Why would it be wrong?

It seems to me that if Christianity is true, then a secular education is a form of child abuse, for children are not being told the Good News, and are being educated according to a set of random values, based on worldview with no objective morality, purpose or value.


What a complete load of shite. Oh and the bastardisation of evolution or any other scientific theory will go down very badly here.


Well tell me, if atheism is true (ie, if there is no such Person as God), how do you distinguish between a good parent and a bad parent? According to what standard is it wrong to beat your children, if a secular education is based the "what doesn't kill you make you stronger" point of view?


ATHEISM IS NOT EITHER TRUE/FALSE. IT IS MERELY A STATEMENT THAT ONE DOES NOT BELIEVE IN GODS. IT IS NOT A POSITIVE STATEMENT THAT GOD DOES NOT EXIST.
FUCKFUCKFUCKFUCKFUCK.


How about you answer my comment?
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#11  Postby RichardPrins » Mar 12, 2010 2:14 am

A secular (=worldly) education would teach kids things such as language, math, geography, history, etc. as opposed to religious indoctrination which teaches them they are depraved sinners who need snake oil for redemption.
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#12  Postby mmmcheezy » Mar 12, 2010 2:15 am

thedistillers wrote:
mmmcheezy wrote:
thedistillers wrote:
I D of E S wrote:
thedistillers wrote:One of the outrageous claims made by some fundy atheists is that a religious education is a form of child abuse.

But all parents who educate their children share a set of values to their children regardless of their worldview! One could claim that a secular education is based on "reason" (unlike a religious education), but if there is no such Person as God, then there is no objective morality, purpose, or value. So according to what ojective standard are secular values reasonable? If God does not exist, then a parent could decide for example that we should live our life in the image of darwinian evolution, and kill the weak. Why would it be wrong?

It seems to me that if Christianity is true, then a secular education is a form of child abuse, for children are not being told the Good News, and are being educated according to a set of random values, based on worldview with no objective morality, purpose or value.


What a complete load of shite. Oh and the bastardisation of evolution or any other scientific theory will go down very badly here.


Well tell me, if atheism is true (ie, if there is no such Person as God), how do you distinguish between a good parent and a bad parent? According to what standard is it wrong to beat your children, if a secular education is based the "what doesn't kill you make you stronger" point of view?


ATHEISM IS NOT EITHER TRUE/FALSE. IT IS MERELY A STATEMENT THAT ONE DOES NOT BELIEVE IN GODS. IT IS NOT A POSITIVE STATEMENT THAT GOD DOES NOT EXIST.
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How about you answer my comment?


I can't, because a load of utter shit.
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#13  Postby Dracena » Mar 12, 2010 2:15 am

mmmcheezy wrote:Why don't you take a little walk over to the other threads you started and answer the remaining questions before you move on to a new one, m'kay?

Second that.
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#14  Postby Viraldi » Mar 12, 2010 2:16 am

thedistillers wrote:How about you answer my comment?

Have you stopped beating your children yet?
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#15  Postby Sciwoman » Mar 12, 2010 2:21 am

RichardPrins wrote:A secular (=worldly) education would teach kids things such as language, math, geography, etc. as opposed to religious indoctrination which teaches them they are depraved sinners who need snake oil for redemption.

Exactly, RP. If a parent is so interested that a child learn about religion, why can't they teach the child about it or let their place of worship set up classes? Maybe they could call it Sunday School?
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#16  Postby thedistillers » Mar 12, 2010 2:21 am

Dracena wrote:
mmmcheezy wrote:Why don't you take a little walk over to the other threads you started and answer the remaining questions before you move on to a new one, m'kay?

Second that.


Well, my "Why do atheists trust science?" thread was hijacked by a muslim friend.
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#17  Postby Aught3 » Mar 12, 2010 2:21 am

Making two big assumptions, that Christianity is true and we have good reasons to believe, I would still be extremely hesitant to teach children the evil and wicked preachments that form part of the Christian doctrine. Furthermore, as the Christian position is that those who have not heard the good news are not held accountable for their lack of belief the most moral position would be to keep quiet about it and let God reveal himself to the children as he so chooses.

So the answer to your question is no, a secular education is not a form of child abuse.
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#18  Postby mmmcheezy » Mar 12, 2010 2:22 am

thedistillers wrote:
Dracena wrote:
mmmcheezy wrote:Why don't you take a little walk over to the other threads you started and answer the remaining questions before you move on to a new one, m'kay?

Second that.


Well, my "Why do atheists trust science?" thread was hijacked by a muslim friend.


Feel free to wander back in. Just because someone else has started posting in it doesn't mean you can't.
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#19  Postby I D of E S » Mar 12, 2010 2:22 am

thedistillers wrote:
mmmcheezy wrote:
thedistillers wrote:
I D of E S wrote:
thedistillers wrote:One of the outrageous claims made by some fundy atheists is that a religious education is a form of child abuse.

But all parents who educate their children share a set of values to their children regardless of their worldview! One could claim that a secular education is based on "reason" (unlike a religious education), but if there is no such Person as God, then there is no objective morality, purpose, or value. So according to what ojective standard are secular values reasonable? If God does not exist, then a parent could decide for example that we should live our life in the image of darwinian evolution, and kill the weak. Why would it be wrong?

It seems to me that if Christianity is true, then a secular education is a form of child abuse, for children are not being told the Good News, and are being educated according to a set of random values, based on worldview with no objective morality, purpose or value.


What a complete load of shite. Oh and the bastardisation of evolution or any other scientific theory will go down very badly here.


Well tell me, if atheism is true (ie, if there is no such Person as God), how do you distinguish between a good parent and a bad parent? According to what standard is it wrong to beat your children, if a secular education is based the "what doesn't kill you make you stronger" point of view?


ATHEISM IS NOT EITHER TRUE/FALSE. IT IS MERELY A STATEMENT THAT ONE DOES NOT BELIEVE IN GODS. IT IS NOT A POSITIVE STATEMENT THAT GOD DOES NOT EXIST.
FUCKFUCKFUCKFUCKFUCK.


How about you answer my comment?


it directly addresses your spurious claim that atheism is a truth statement, it is NOT. Why is this so fucking difficult for you to understand!

agnosticism = holding the philosophical potion that absolute knowledge is unobtainable.
theism = belief in god
a = without
a + theism = without belief in god

thus atheism is an absence of belief NOT a belief in absence.

And name one fucking person that says a secular education is based on "what doesn't kill you make you stronger"? Oh and I want a citation for that.
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#20  Postby Dracena » Mar 12, 2010 2:24 am

thedistillers wrote:
Dracena wrote:
mmmcheezy wrote:Why don't you take a little walk over to the other threads you started and answer the remaining questions before you move on to a new one, m'kay?

Second that.


Well, my "Why do atheists trust science?" thread was hijacked by a muslim friend.

Pathetic answer, people have asked you questions and you , instead of answering them, start a new thread. Nobody can hijack a thread, it is there for you to read and ANSWER THE QUESTIONS THAT YOU ASKED FOR BY STARTING THE THREAD IN THE FIRST PLACE!
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