6 lashes of the belt (across the arse)
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Thomas Eshuis wrote:I don't get what laklak means to say?
6 of the best what?
Thomas Eshuis wrote:If you read carefully, I asked the student who else was involved and he would not say.
I said, that, until he does tell who else was involved, he's the only one I know who was and therefore the only one who'd be punished.
SkyMutt wrote:Thomas Eshuis wrote:I don't get what laklak means to say?
6 of the best what?
It's a phrase associated with corporal punishment in British schools: "six of the best".
ETA: ninja'd
Strontium Dog wrote:Thomas Eshuis wrote:If you read carefully, I asked the student who else was involved and he would not say.
I said, that, until he does tell who else was involved, he's the only one I know who was and therefore the only one who'd be punished.
Punishing someone for doing the right thing?
Thomas Eshuis wrote:crank wrote:Maybe I'm missing something, but how is it that more than one person is involved? Person X hides books, even if others express approval in some way, they are not 'involved' to any real extent.
The person who returned the books said someone else gave them to him, which means at least two people are involved.
Add to that the fact that people around surely noticed this happening, they're complicit in not telling me who did it when I asked them to tell me, nor where the books were hidden when I demanded they be returned to their owner.crank wrote: I think you need to find out what it's like generally for the kids there. How common is bullying, how brutal can it get? Hiding someone's books is rather tame.
Not if it's part of a larger set of 'pranks' and other forms of bullying.
And not when the person who owns the books gets visibly upset and the teacher asks you to return the books.crank wrote: If bullying is a problem there, it won't stop without a concerted effort by the whole school.
That's why I want to talk their form tutor.
Thomas Eshuis wrote:Strontium Dog wrote:Thomas Eshuis wrote:If you read carefully, I asked the student who else was involved and he would not say.
I said, that, until he does tell who else was involved, he's the only one I know who was and therefore the only one who'd be punished.
Punishing someone for doing the right thing?
I don't know in what weird kind of education system you grew up, but covering up for bad behaviour of fellow classmates, especially after admitting knowledge, does not constitute 'doing the right thing' over here.
Strontium Dog wrote:It is also unreasonable of you to expect the pupil who returned the items to rat out his classmates. You might as well get your branding iron out and sear the word GRASS into his forehead.
UncertainSloth wrote:however, honesty should be recognised...to me, his 'punishment', whatever that may be, should be less significant than that received by the others...not sure i agree with the 'buck stops here' approach to that one person but then it may be different in secondaries...
laklak wrote:6 of the best, that will sort them.
crank wrote:Thomas Eshuis wrote:crank wrote:Maybe I'm missing something, but how is it that more than one person is involved? Person X hides books, even if others express approval in some way, they are not 'involved' to any real extent.
The person who returned the books said someone else gave them to him, which means at least two people are involved.
Add to that the fact that people around surely noticed this happening, they're complicit in not telling me who did it when I asked them to tell me, nor where the books were hidden when I demanded they be returned to their owner.crank wrote: I think you need to find out what it's like generally for the kids there. How common is bullying, how brutal can it get? Hiding someone's books is rather tame.
Not if it's part of a larger set of 'pranks' and other forms of bullying.
And not when the person who owns the books gets visibly upset and the teacher asks you to return the books.crank wrote: If bullying is a problem there, it won't stop without a concerted effort by the whole school.
That's why I want to talk their form tutor.
"someone handed them to him" doesn't make sense, maybe I'm missing something, weren't you observing the retrieval? If he's saying someone handed them to him and he went and hid them, that is a lie, and still means he did it.
crank wrote: I think demanding students to rat out another one, especially in front of everyone, is not at all a good thing to do, it surely isn't realistic.
crank wrote: You're authority, students who would rat out another will never be decent skeptics, such behavior should not be encouraged.
crank wrote: This wouldn't apply for something truly serious, most bullying hopefully doesn't go anywhere near far enough.
crank wrote: Do you really want a bunch of busybody students looking for their classmates to defy the rules so they can run and tell? That's a poisonous atmosphere.
crank wrote:If it's part of a larger pattern, that's what I meant about finding out about bullying in general at the school. You need to know the victim too, some people get visibly upset over trifles, Kids need room to be kids, don't even think about going down the road of 'zero tolerance', we're seeing how horrible the results can be with such attitudes.
Strontium Dog wrote:Also, 1990s. Not that things are any different now.
Strontium Dog wrote:Thomas Eshuis wrote:Strontium Dog wrote:Thomas Eshuis wrote:If you read carefully, I asked the student who else was involved and he would not say.
I said, that, until he does tell who else was involved, he's the only one I know who was and therefore the only one who'd be punished.
Punishing someone for doing the right thing?
I don't know in what weird kind of education system you grew up, but covering up for bad behaviour of fellow classmates, especially after admitting knowledge, does not constitute 'doing the right thing' over here.
Perhaps it escaped your notice that the ENTIRE CLASS is covering up for bad behaviour?
Strontium Dog wrote:So why single out for punishment the only person who did the right thing by returning the stolen items?
Strontium Dog wrote:
It is also unreasonable of you to expect the pupil who returned the items to rat out his classmates. You might as well get your branding iron out and sear the word GRASS into his forehead.
Strontium Dog wrote:
A correct course of action would be to punish the classmembers who didn't return the books, ie all of them except this one.
Agi Hammerthief wrote:If most of the class are into it, I doubt there is much you can do.
Put your foot down hard and be aware that it might continnue after a brief pause.
Yeah, because youths can be kinda stupid and those who might actually not have noticed who took the books are prone to blame the victim "for getting then into detention" and then all of the class are up against him.
Strontium Dog wrote:Thomas Eshuis wrote:Strontium Dog wrote:Thomas Eshuis wrote:If you read carefully, I asked the student who else was involved and he would not say.
I said, that, until he does tell who else was involved, he's the only one I know who was and therefore the only one who'd be punished.
Punishing someone for doing the right thing?
I don't know in what weird kind of education system you grew up, but covering up for bad behaviour of fellow classmates, especially after admitting knowledge, does not constitute 'doing the right thing' over here.
Perhaps it escaped your notice that the ENTIRE CLASS is covering up for bad behaviour?
So why single out for punishment the only person who did the right thing by returning the stolen items?
It is also unreasonable of you to expect the pupil who returned the items to rat out his classmates. You might as well get your branding iron out and sear the word GRASS into his forehead.
A correct course of action would be to punish the classmembers who didn't return the books, ie all of them except this one.
quas wrote:laklak wrote:6 of the best, that will sort them.
This is the correct solution.
Not belt. Cane. Preferably the type used in Singapore and Malaysia prisons. The ultra-thick rattan types that actually breaks skin and renders the recipient unable to sit on the his/her* ass for months, and requires a doctor to check on the recipient and verify that the recipient can survive the next stroke.
*In reality, this sort of caning is almost never practiced on females, but I think women should have equal rights.
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