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#1  Postby Keep It Real » Nov 02, 2017 1:58 pm

So what have we got....

Networks.

Internet, telephone, television, post, formal educative...er...buildings/establishments....fuck me this is difficult....

Mediums.

Books, CDS, flyers/leaflets, digital music, digital text........wow I really am crap at this.
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#2  Postby VazScep » Nov 02, 2017 7:12 pm

I think "Mediums" would be the plural of the word used for people who do seances. Though I am happy to let it slide, since those 19th century Tarot readers were borrowing their spiritual metaphors very liberally from the metaphors used in telegraphy. That's why they channel the dead.

In the 20th century, it was all about quantum woo. In the 21st, spiritual metaphors should be digital.
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#3  Postby Keep It Real » Nov 02, 2017 7:19 pm

OT Vaz.....how do we spread around the knowledge? That's the objective....maybe you can hook up a bot or something before they cap u age 40 lol
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#4  Postby Macdoc » Nov 02, 2017 7:23 pm

That would be media as the info carriers...

Just mind the emergent sentient neural networks....Rise of the Machines is real and a threat ....Musk and Hawking think so. :coffee:
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#5  Postby VazScep » Nov 02, 2017 7:42 pm

Macdoc wrote:That would be media as the info carriers...

Just mind the emergent sentient neural networks....Rise of the Machines is real and a threat ....Musk and Hawking think so. :coffee:
Two guys who have no specialist knowledge in AI?
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#6  Postby Keep It Real » Nov 02, 2017 7:53 pm

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#7  Postby VazScep » Nov 02, 2017 7:54 pm

Keep It Real wrote:OT Vaz.....how do we spread around the knowledge? That's the objective....maybe you can hook up a bot or something before they cap u age 40 lol
I don't even know how to successfully swing a cat video round the internet. How do you distinguish the knowledge from the fake news? I'm the sort of arsehole who doesn't care what shit the users are throwing at each other. It's all just bits and bloops to me. The users don't deserve their computers.
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#8  Postby Keep It Real » Nov 02, 2017 8:00 pm

Brainwash dem. Happy campers innit. Thought you said you are a programmer?
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#9  Postby VazScep » Nov 02, 2017 8:34 pm

Keep It Real wrote:Brainwash dem. Happy campers innit. Thought you said you are a programmer?
I certainly call myself one, but I know shit about how to go viral, or to how to get them sweet network effects. I'm personally of the opinion that it's random. The reason Facebook is so successful is the reason Richard Branson is so successful: there isn't a reason; it isn't about merit; it's about dumb fucking luck. If merit was the arbiter in technology, this world would be a very different place.
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#10  Postby VazScep » Nov 02, 2017 8:35 pm

This double post is an example of bad software.
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#11  Postby Keep It Real » Nov 02, 2017 8:55 pm

Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad software. Do it Vaz.
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#12  Postby VazScep » Nov 02, 2017 9:26 pm

Keep It Real wrote:Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad software. Do it Vaz.
Destroyallsoftware?
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#13  Postby Keep It Real » Nov 02, 2017 9:29 pm

anarchoprimitivism is wack
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#14  Postby Macdoc » Nov 02, 2017 10:19 pm

of course ....they're all wrong and don't know what they are talking about

In addition to heavyweights like Hawking and Musk, the prominent physicist and billionaire founder of SpaceX and Tesla Motors, the letter was signed by top researchers at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, Google and other institutions.


https://www.livescience.com/49419-artif ... etter.html

or one could draw another conclusion .... :roll: :coffee:
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#15  Postby Thommo » Nov 02, 2017 10:27 pm

There might be a question over whether:

https://futureoflife.org/ai-open-letter/
Artificial intelligence (AI) research has explored a variety of problems and approaches since its inception, but for the last 20 years or so has been focused on the problems surrounding the construction of intelligent agents – systems that perceive and act in some environment. In this context, “intelligence” is related to statistical and economic notions of rationality – colloquially, the ability to make good decisions, plans, or inferences. The adoption of probabilistic and decision-theoretic representations and statistical learning methods has led to a large degree of integration and cross-fertilization among AI, machine learning, statistics, control theory, neuroscience, and other fields. The establishment of shared theoretical frameworks, combined with the availability of data and processing power, has yielded remarkable successes in various component tasks such as speech recognition, image classification, autonomous vehicles, machine translation, legged locomotion, and question-answering systems.

As capabilities in these areas and others cross the threshold from laboratory research to economically valuable technologies, a virtuous cycle takes hold whereby even small improvements in performance are worth large sums of money, prompting greater investments in research. There is now a broad consensus that AI research is progressing steadily, and that its impact on society is likely to increase. The potential benefits are huge, since everything that civilization has to offer is a product of human intelligence; we cannot predict what we might achieve when this intelligence is magnified by the tools AI may provide, but the eradication of disease and poverty are not unfathomable. Because of the great potential of AI, it is important to research how to reap its benefits while avoiding potential pitfalls.

The progress in AI research makes it timely to focus research not only on making AI more capable, but also on maximizing the societal benefit of AI. Such considerations motivated the AAAI 2008-09 Presidential Panel on Long-Term AI Futures and other projects on AI impacts, and constitute a significant expansion of the field of AI itself, which up to now has focused largely on techniques that are neutral with respect to purpose. We recommend expanded research aimed at ensuring that increasingly capable AI systems are robust and beneficial: our AI systems must do what we want them to do. The attached research priorities document gives many examples of such research directions that can help maximize the societal benefit of AI. This research is by necessity interdisciplinary, because it involves both society and AI. It ranges from economics, law and philosophy to computer security, formal methods and, of course, various branches of AI itself.

In summary, we believe that research on how to make AI systems robust and beneficial is both important and timely, and that there are concrete research directions that can be pursued today.


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#16  Postby Macdoc » Nov 03, 2017 12:57 am

while avoiding potential pitfalls.


all techonology has risk ....AI in particular as we cede control to intelligent machines able to make independent decisions.
Pitfalls such as ....

Industry Urges United Nations to Ban Lethal Autonomous Weapons in ...
https://spectrum.ieee.org/.../industry- ... mous-wea...
Aug 21, 2017 - Today (or, yesterday, but today Australia time, where it's probably already tomorrow), 116 founders of robotics and artificial intelligence companies from 26 countries released an open letter urging the United Nations to ban lethal autonomous weapon systems (LAWS).


edge ..meet wedge


Weapons systems that make their own decisions are a very different, and much broader, category. The line between weapons controlled by humans and those that fire autonomously is blurry, and many nations—including the US—have begun the process of crossing it. Moreover, technologies such as robotic aircraft and ground vehicles have proved so useful that armed forces may find giving them more independence—including to kill—irresistible.

https://www.wired.com/story/sorry-banni ... practical/


and more mundane but pervasive, autonomous vehicles. Get it right - it saves a lot lives....get it wrong ....chaos.

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#17  Postby VazScep » Nov 03, 2017 8:08 am

You still name dropped Musk and Hawking. If I were charitable, I'd have to assume it was a joke: naming two guys as authorities who have no specialist knowldge in the relevant field. Now I am the one getting an eyeroll?

I am not much interested in chasing your goalposts. You made an extremely hyperbolic claim and cited two people known for hyperbole, one of whom should fucking well know better than to step outside his field like this. This is not howto start a serious ai discussion.

I have expressed my own fears about ai on this forum and I think I am far more qualified on these matters than Hawking and Musk. I might even sign off on that MIT paper: they are calling for more research in formal methods which happens to be my day job, and a hair's breadth from my academic field. I want to stay employable, so it's good to support people who think you should be.

The last grant application I wrote began roughly with "security vulnerabilities are becoming weapon's of war" citing stuxnet. It was an attention grabbing way to get funding.
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#18  Postby Macdoc » Nov 03, 2017 4:03 pm

You are welcome to your opinion on such matters as you state that you are informed.

I would say you need not be a burrowing specialist for Hawking and Musk to make use of their public visibility to bring the matter to attention. This is not so much a technical matter at all.

If you agreed with Musk about our FB laddie not knowing shite ....we'd be on the same page.

Arguing from unproven authority about risk assessment of a rapidly emerging field ??? - doesn't cut it

Besides....my response was quasi-tongue in cheek in keeping with the OP. :coffee:
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#19  Postby VazScep » Nov 15, 2017 10:49 am



Features some scenes shot outside my place of work.

A mate of mine sent round a petition against autonomous drones a few years back, but I'm still not sufficiently moved to sign that sort of thing.
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#20  Postby Keep It Real » Nov 15, 2017 11:08 am

This thread isn't about AI - at least it wasn't supposed to be.

Those mini weapon drones are pretty fucking frightening no doubt. My mate...well acquaintance now :roll: has got a hoody with a concealed pull down face veil. Wouldn't that beat them?
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