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Religious Education will stop Muslims blowing us up (again)

#1  Postby HomerJay » Mar 17, 2014 12:06 pm

Youngsters could be prevented from becoming radicalised by violent extremists if religious education was improved in schools, MPs have said.

A report by the All Party Parliamentary Group (APPG) on Religious Education also concluded that tension among multi-faith communities is reduced when young people are given classes on religion and beliefs.

It said the subject can help to encourage good relations by giving youngsters a chance to think about their own beliefs and values and to consider religious, ethical and philosophical issues from different points of view.

RE classes also allow pupils to ask questions and address contentious topics, look at why misconceptions exist about some groups and teaches them to be "informed, active citizens", the APPG said.

The report comes amid growing concern at how vulnerable groups of young people can be radicalised by violent extremists and fundamentalists who claim religious backing for their militant views.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religio ... y-MPs.html

I'm not clear how teaching more Christianity to Muslim identifed kids is supposed to be more effective than just teaching them not to blow stuff up and de-capitate people?

An APPG is, of course just a pressure group for like minded people, it has no other purpose although it sounds grand. The Religious Education Council has been holding some meetings and consultations to put the case in the report RE and Good Community Relations:

One of the first pieces of evidence that Julia [Ipgrave, Senior Research Fellow, Warwick Religions and Education Research Unit, University of Warwick] presented was on young people and the risk of being bullied on account of their religion. In the survey of 12,000 13 to 15 year old students, a significant number reported experience of religious bullying from 43% of the Sikh students to 11% of the Christians (both practising and non-practising). There was evidence of an intolerance of religiosity: pupils were willing to respect their peers’ religious identity but not their religiosity. The language they used revealed a lack of comprehension of the religious lives of others and insulting terms were used to describe religious commitment. This should be a matter of concern for RE.

What also emerged from the WRERU research was the fact that young people with a religious life tended to be more tolerant of others’ religious lives. When asked about their interest in learning about ‘different’ religions, -75% of Muslim students found learning about other religions interesting (the highest percentage of any group). Nine percentage points behind were Hindu students (66%) and the group with the least interest at 34% were students of ‘no religion’. Those schools where pupils had high levels of religious understanding tended to be those where pupils were from religiously practising communities.

Julia suggested that what was emerging was evidence of a religious literacy gap that may be widening between those that lived in religiously engaged communities and those of no religious involvement. This lack of personal experience could lead to lack of interest. It was important to recognise that RE was the place where this gap could be addressed and the means by which this could be achieved was through promoting religious literacy. This was not only about attitudinal development but cognitive and linguistic challenges as well.

Many RE teachers, however, did not see addressing the literacy gap as a priority and this was reflected in the stated priorities of 627 subject leaders surveyed. Among secondary school subject leaders, their highest priority was reflecting on ultimate questions (77%) and thinking critically about religion (67%). Their lowest priority was learning about the religions of the world (24%) and learning about a specific religion (28%). The position that was adopted was often: ‘if they find it hard, let’s give them something else’. Clearly, this was unacceptable and would not be replicated in other subject areas. Secondary RE was often framed in terms of public discourse and media stories rather than religion as experienced by religious people and communities. Schools that continued with a more in-depth study of religions in RE were often those with a religious character or with large numbers of religiously practising students. Thus divergent trends in RE reinforce the widening religious literacy gap.


Stephen Lloyd [APPG Chair, LibDem MP] asked about those pupils who didn’t have a religious world view, such as humanists or atheists, to which Deborah [Weston, Director of Spiritual, Moral, Social and Cultural Development, Mulberry Girls’ School, Tower Hamlets] replied that many of her students had no idea that people didn’t believe in God and they couldn’t understand how that could be the case.

http://religiouseducationcouncil.org.uk ... ember-2013

This really is nothing more than the institutionalisation of blasphemy, suggesting that a lack of respect for religiosity is a moral problem and one that schools should be addressing.

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Re: Religious Education will stop Muslims blowing us up (again)

#2  Postby laklak » Mar 17, 2014 7:17 pm

BF Skinner showed that punishment is the most effective method of stopping a given behavior. Therefore, every time a kid says "God" or "Allah" or "Jesus" just beat the shit out of them.
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#3  Postby Shrunk » Mar 17, 2014 7:45 pm

What also emerged from the WRERU research was the fact that young people with a religious life tended to be more tolerant of others’ religious lives. When asked about their interest in learning about ‘different’ religions, -75% of Muslim students found learning about other religions interesting (the highest percentage of any group). Nine percentage points behind were Hindu students (66%) and the group with the least interest at 34% were students of ‘no religion’. Those schools where pupils had high levels of religious understanding tended to be those where pupils were from religiously practising communities.

Julia suggested that what was emerging was evidence of a religious literacy gap that may be widening between those that lived in religiously engaged communities and those of no religious involvement. This lack of personal experience could lead to lack of interest.


Or, just maybe, the reverse could be the case.
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#4  Postby laklak » Mar 17, 2014 8:07 pm

"Lack of personal experience could lead to lack of interest" = "If you can't brainwash them they'll ignore your bullshit".
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#5  Postby DougC » Mar 18, 2014 3:30 am

B.B.C. - Religious education 'helps communities get along'
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#6  Postby Darwinsbulldog » Mar 18, 2014 4:27 am

Critique, even contempt for religion must be across the board. That means tossing out the Royal Family, secularising the House of Lords, removing religious prividges from legal and taxation matters, etc. Muslims, hindus, buddhists christians etc all deserve the same special privileges under the law-none.
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#7  Postby Mr.Samsa » Mar 18, 2014 10:13 pm

laklak wrote:BF Skinner showed that punishment is the most effective method of stopping a given behavior. Therefore, every time a kid says "God" or "Allah" or "Jesus" just beat the shit out of them.


Technically he did the opposite. Skinner devised a number of experiments which ended up with him concluding that punishment is a highly ineffective method and often has the unintended consequence of increasing the problem behavior, which is why he spent most of his life campaigning against the use of punishment as a behavioral modification technique.
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Re: Religious Education will stop Muslims blowing us up (again)

#8  Postby CarlPierce » Mar 28, 2014 10:34 am

The cure for religion - more religion.....

I'm torn two ways on this...

Religious education is a great way to reduce religious numbers - but why waste time and money on it in the first place ?
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