Is it child abuse to teach Christian fundamentalism to ones children?
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Chris Putnam wrote:And that's the source of the problem : believers accept bullshit as evidence, as long as it suits their narrative. We don't need to take their opinion in consideration when building such system, since it's already biased. I know it sounds radical put like that, but at some point, if you want to move forward, you need to loose your dead weight.
But I can here the Fundamentalists describe you with the same words as you describe them. They will stand and argue their point, fully believing it is justified. They will wish to train their kids accordingly. I just can't help but think that restricting peoples ideological parameters in relationship to how they desire to raise their kids will eventually end up giving great power to people who most certainly should not have it.
Thank you for your input. Perhaps this thread has run its course.
Rachel Bronwyn wrote:I'll take religious indoctrination over being raped by a family member throughout childhood. Any damn day.
Chris Putnam wrote:[
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Truly though I wish to redirect his thread to its original intent. To discuss kids being indoctrinated into a belief system of a religious nature and a belief in the fundamentals of that faith system. Multitudes of kids are taught young earth creationism, Noah's flood (thousands visit the Ark Encounter), Moses, and the fundamentals of biblical Christianity. The bible becomes the "inerrant" guide that they live by. These kids frequently have loving kind parents that provide well (no abuse) and they may excel academically. Regardless, is the practice of educating kids this way acceptable?
Please continue and thank you for your posts
Chris Putnam wrote:
But I can here the Fundamentalists describe you with the same words as you describe them. They will stand and argue their point, fully believing it is justified. They will wish to train their kids accordingly. I just can't help but think that restricting peoples ideological parameters in relationship to how they desire to raise their kids will eventually end up giving great power to people who most certainly should not have it.
SpeedOfSound wrote: No more 'right to believe'. Let's go all Hannity on these motherfuckers.
SpeedOfSound wrote:Chris Putnam wrote:
But I can here the Fundamentalists describe you with the same words as you describe them. They will stand and argue their point, fully believing it is justified. They will wish to train their kids accordingly. I just can't help but think that restricting peoples ideological parameters in relationship to how they desire to raise their kids will eventually end up giving great power to people who most certainly should not have it.
The idea is to not restrict anything. Removing restrictive cellular(bubbles) closeting of children. My nephews wife would not have gotten away with the rape of my great-nephews body or mind were he not strictly home-schooled. The inspiration for home schooling can have two sources. One, to provide a better or 'greater' education. Two, to prevent ideas from hitting the children in the face. There is a censorship culture concerning children and it is the root of this evil.
Nothing wrong with augmenting your child's education with some home schooling. I did a ton of that. But I never felt compelled to prevent my kids from going to the mostly christian leaning public schools in our neighborhood. My instincts were good and much like exposing your children to a healthy amount of filth strengthens their immune response my sons exposure to 'christian values' in the community strengthened their critical thinking. Had I just kept them home in our scientistic shell they would not have been balanced.
Sendraks wrote:SpeedOfSound wrote: No more 'right to believe'. Let's go all Hannity on these motherfuckers.
I agree. People feeling "entitled" to what they believe, is a bulwark against reason.
"I'm entitled to believe whatever bullshit I believe, so I can ignore whatever facts I like."
People should be taught, early, the importance of believing only that which can be demonstrated to be true through facts/evidence. Indeed, there is an obligation to only believe such things, if one wants to be considered a rational and reasonable human being.
aban57 wrote:SpeedOfSound wrote:aban57 wrote:
But I can here the Fundamentalists describe you with the same words as you describe them. They will stand and argue their point, fully believing it is justified. They will wish to train their kids accordingly. I just can't help but think that restricting peoples ideological parameters in relationship to how they desire to raise their kids will eventually end up giving great power to people who most certainly should not have it.
The idea is to not restrict anything. Removing restrictive cellular(bubbles) closeting of children. My nephews wife would not have gotten away with the rape of my great-nephews body or mind were he not strictly home-schooled. The inspiration for home schooling can have two sources. One, to provide a better or 'greater' education. Two, to prevent ideas from hitting the children in the face. There is a censorship culture concerning children and it is the root of this evil.
Nothing wrong with augmenting your child's education with some home schooling. I did a ton of that. But I never felt compelled to prevent my kids from going to the mostly christian leaning public schools in our neighborhood. My instincts were good and much like exposing your children to a healthy amount of filth strengthens their immune response my sons exposure to 'christian values' in the community strengthened their critical thinking. Had I just kept them home in our scientistic shell they would not have been balanced.
Could you please correct your quote ? I didn't write that
aban57 wrote:Yes, my quote propagated the error
Sendraks wrote:I agree. People feeling "entitled" to what they believe, is a bulwark against reason.
"I'm entitled to believe whatever bullshit I believe, so I can ignore whatever facts I like."
Thommo wrote:Sendraks wrote:I agree. People feeling "entitled" to what they believe, is a bulwark against reason.
"I'm entitled to believe whatever bullshit I believe, so I can ignore whatever facts I like."
I feel ambivalent about that. People are entitled to believe whatever they like.
That doesn't mean, as Chris suggests, that it can be taught in schools. If PhD scientists really were split on questions like "is the Earth flat?", "Is the Earth 10,000 years old?", "Did humans evolve from earlier species of animal?", then there really would be a dilemma here.
But they aren't. We teach the things that are backed by an overwhelming body of evidence and supported by an overwhelming majority of relevantly qualified experts. It really is as simple as that.
Chris Putnam wrote:I just find the power to control people over ideologies like this is a powerful tool in the hands of unscrupulous persons.
Chris Putnam wrote:As I said earlier the fundamentalist is going to use his or her reason and conclude they are right and complain about he other side.
Chris Putnam wrote:I heard a quote from a news agency (please don't ask me to verify this. I heard it on the radio last year, so take in for what it is worth) that even in the UK there is strong belief in some form of creation, and the results of the survey where very disappointing to the scientific community.
Chris Putnam wrote: In the US the percentage it is no doubt higher. Scientist have a viewpoint and so do the common rank and file public. They don't always influence each other.
They explain to them why their teachers at school are wrong about some of the science that they were taught.
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