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#1  Postby DougC » May 06, 2016 1:53 am

The Times - World University Rankings 2015-2016


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-36203613

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Cambridge and Oxford universities slip in world rankings
The UK has 10 universities in the top 100 of the world's best when it comes to global reputation, but many have slipped down the rankings this year.
Cambridge and Oxford remain in the top five, at fourth and fifth place respectively, but both have moved down two places on their 2015 ranking.
The US dominates the Times Higher Education (THE) reputation rankings, with Harvard and MIT in top places.
Asia has 17 universities in the top 100 - up from 10 in last year's rankings.
The highest rated Asian universities are the University of Tokyo in Japan in 12th place and China's Tsinghua University in 18th place and Peking University in 21st place and the National University of Singapore in 26th place.
These are rankings based on reputation and perceived status, based on the opinions of an international panel of academics.
These are separate from the university rankings based on research and teaching quality.

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#2  Postby Fallible » May 06, 2016 7:24 am

My alma mater is at #20.
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#3  Postby jamest » May 14, 2016 12:27 am

It won't be too long till the son's of the Oxbridge elite are paying to study in China, interpreter's fees inclusive.

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#4  Postby kiore » May 14, 2016 3:50 am

I have 11th, 17th, 251st and not on the list for mine.
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#5  Postby pelfdaddy » May 14, 2016 4:00 am

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#6  Postby DougC » May 14, 2016 4:20 am

For me, 401. And 24 (But that is cheating slightly).
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#7  Postby Fallible » May 14, 2016 6:51 am

kiore wrote:I have 11th, 17th, 251st and not on the list for mine.


I should have said mine are 1) #110 and 2) #20.
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#8  Postby CarlPierce » Dec 03, 2016 6:32 pm

I was at Cambridge in the distant past. Why the hell is the world elite always used.
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#9  Postby I'm With Stupid » Dec 04, 2016 10:10 am

Oxford is back on top for the 16/17 year.

Personally, I've never understood why the list is dominated by English-speaking institutions, and think the whole thing is just a big propaganda exercise. It was quite revealing when earlier this year the American universities refused to be involved in a university version of the PISA studies. 5 universities in the top 30 from non English-speaking countries? Really? (and four of them are in positions 28, 29 and 30) Is the rest of the world's higher education really that far behind (mainly) the US and UK? And if so, why are the UK and USA not massively ahead of everyone else in terms of skills?
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#10  Postby tuco » Dec 04, 2016 2:16 pm

What does it mean: to be behind in higher education? Answer: To rank low on World's University ranking. Further examination of methodology used would be necessary for more sophisticated analysis.

As for the second question, possibly because training alone does not guarantee skill level, and on average, for practical purposes, the difference in training is not massive. Most people are average, elites are few and they are concentrated.

I would think its quite complex problem tho.
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#11  Postby aliihsanasl » Dec 24, 2016 9:37 pm

Turkey's whole state universities total budget is 23 billion tl, only Harvard university's budget is 155 billion tl.
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#12  Postby The_Piper » Dec 24, 2016 10:41 pm

I didn't go to college, but I worked in Harvard Square #6, and at MIT #5. I sold stamps and mailed stuff for the post office. No doubt some very timely and important scientific material. :snooty:
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#13  Postby tuco » Dec 24, 2016 10:49 pm

Indeed :) Every part of chain is important. What I "like" is the argument .. but anyone can mail stuff .. well, maybe can but will do?
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#14  Postby Thomas Eshuis » Dec 25, 2016 12:08 am

80. Not to bad considering. Now if I can only manage to actually get my masters degree.

*Edit, I just read it's based on reputation and not actual results, skills acquired or success of graduates.
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#15  Postby tuco » Dec 30, 2016 10:39 am

Michio Kaku addresses some of the questions in post #9 throughout this vid:

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#16  Postby Thomasd50 » Dec 02, 2019 11:12 am

I'm With Stupid wrote:Oxford is back on top for the 16/17 year.

Personally, I've never understood why the list is dominated by English-speaking institutions, and think the whole thing is just a big propaganda exercise. It was quite revealing when earlier this year the American universities refused to be involved in a university version of the PISA studies. 5 universities in the top 30 from non English-speaking countries rachat de credit travaux? Really? (and four of them are in positions 28, 29 and 30) Is the rest of the world's higher education really that far behind (mainly) the US and UK? And if so, why are the UK and USA not massively ahead of everyone else in terms of skills?

Maybe it was an unreliable version and the universities have trouble supporting it.
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#17  Postby felltoearth » Dec 02, 2019 1:25 pm

University of Toronto is up to 22. If you rank by research it’s even higher.
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#18  Postby Thomas Eshuis » Dec 02, 2019 2:10 pm

I'm With Stupid wrote:Oxford is back on top for the 16/17 year.

Personally, I've never understood why the list is dominated by English-speaking institutions, and think the whole thing is just a big propaganda exercise. It was quite revealing when earlier this year the American universities refused to be involved in a university version of the PISA studies. 5 universities in the top 30 from non English-speaking countries? Really? (and four of them are in positions 28, 29 and 30) Is the rest of the world's higher education really that far behind (mainly) the US and UK? And if so, why are the UK and USA not massively ahead of everyone else in terms of skills?

:this:
I always wonder what metrics they employ.
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#19  Postby I'm With Stupid » Dec 03, 2019 5:39 am

Thomas Eshuis wrote:
I'm With Stupid wrote:Oxford is back on top for the 16/17 year.

Personally, I've never understood why the list is dominated by English-speaking institutions, and think the whole thing is just a big propaganda exercise. It was quite revealing when earlier this year the American universities refused to be involved in a university version of the PISA studies. 5 universities in the top 30 from non English-speaking countries? Really? (and four of them are in positions 28, 29 and 30) Is the rest of the world's higher education really that far behind (mainly) the US and UK? And if so, why are the UK and USA not massively ahead of everyone else in terms of skills?

:this:
I always wonder what metrics they employ.

I actually looked into this a bit since posting that and unsurprisingly there are a lot of factors that favour the English-language institutions.

The first is the metric of research quality. As I understand it, this is largely measured by the number of citations, which is loosely a measure of how influential a piece of research is. What this does, however, is naturally favour larger institutions where simply more research is being done because there are more researchers. This favours the US/UK style of university with huge campuses and multiple departments, over for example, the French system where colleges are smaller and may focus on a handful of subjects (this is someone else's example - I don't know the French system). The standard of research in these institutions could be world-leading, but there is naturally going to be less of it so they're not going to get into a list of top research universities across all subjects. In a sense American universities are the best in the world in the same way that America is the richest country in the world. It has more people, but when you actually look at it per capita, it's a bit more complicated.

Of course then the other factor is the English language itself. Since the number of citations is such a key factor, writing research in a language that is more widely spoken is as huge advantage. It's not a surprise that Singaporean universities are amongst the highest-ranked Asian universities despite being a relatively small country. As it develops, expect to see Malaysian universities on there too. You'll typically find on these lists that the non-English language universities that appear on the lists also happen to be from other developed countries with a widely-spoken language. That's why you're getting Japanese, Chinese or French-language universities ahead of Finnish or Norwegian ones. So in a sense, English universities are better because they're English.

Neither of these are the only factors, of course, but they do explain why these lists seem to be biased towards English-speaking institutions. And it's not as if they are completely illegitimate either. The reality is that in a lot of fields, the leading research is done in English and so studying in English gives you access to that research. But these rankings don't necessarily reflect the quality of education you can expect at these institutions.

Personally, I think you're far better off choosing an institution based on its reputation in a particular subject, but I've heard of people particularly in America choosing the institution first based on their overall reputation. Similarly I've heard of people applying for Oxford or Cambridge based on the subject that gives them the highest chance of being accepted with the aim of switching later.
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