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Bonobos are caring because they are led by females?

#1  Postby Nostalgia » Mar 14, 2012 3:25 pm

LAST September, deep in the swamp forest of the Democratic Republic of the Congo, Nahoko Tokuyama of Kyoto University in Japan heard a scream. It came from a male bonobo whose hand was trapped in a snare. What happened next shows that bonobos (Pan paniscus) don't forget their lost friends, and will travel long distances to find them. This caring behaviour may be down to the species' female leadership.

The snares are set to catch other species, says Tokuyama's colleague Takeshi Furuichi. Injured animals almost always get left behind and die.

Not so for bonobos. As soon as the other group members realised the male was trapped, they gathered around him. One untangled the snare from woody ground vines, enabling the male to move. Another tried and failed to remove the wire. Later in the day, the bonobos returned to the dry forest to sleep. The injured male could not follow.

The next morning, to the researchers' surprise, the bonobos travelled almost 2 kilometres back to where they had last seen their injured friend. The animals had already ruled out the area as a good source of fruit, suggesting they went back just to find him. He had moved on, but rejoined the group six weeks later .


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That bonobos are a more gentile species than their chimpanzee cousins is a widely know fact. And the theory that they are like this because they society is female dominated seems rather believable to me.
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#2  Postby HughMcB » Mar 14, 2012 3:33 pm

This caring behaviour may be down to the species' female leadership.

Purely speculative. I could just as easily say "This caring behaviour may be down to the fact it's Tuesday".
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#3  Postby BlackBart » Mar 14, 2012 3:37 pm

They've obviously accepted Jesus into their lives.

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#4  Postby Nostalgia » Mar 14, 2012 4:06 pm

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This caring behaviour may be down to the species' female leadership.

Purely speculative. I could just as easily say "This caring behaviour may be down to the fact it's Tuesday".


Although there's no hard evidence I would say it's a bit more than speculative. They are very close to chimpanzees, genetically speaking, essentially they are the same species. Yet their behaviour is significantly different. And one of their biggest social differences is that bonobos are female dominated whilst chimps are male. Another social behaviour of note is the role sex plays in their culture. Whether the two of these are connected is an interesting question.
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#5  Postby DavidMcC » Mar 14, 2012 4:08 pm

> And the theory that they are like this because they society is female dominated seems rather believable to me.

Believable, perhaps, and there may well be some truth in it, but it isn't necesarily the whole truth, as it is known that bonobos evolved without the severe competition for food from gorillas that the chimps had to deal with.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonobo

It has been hypothesised that bonobos are able to live a more peaceful lifestyle in part because of an abundance of nutritious vegetation in their natural habitat, allowing them to travel and forage in large parties.[46]
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#6  Postby Nostalgia » Mar 14, 2012 4:19 pm

The difference between bonobos and gorillas is not as important as the difference between bonobo chimps and the common chimp. They share pretty much identical habitats but the two subspecies are separated by the Congo River.
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#7  Postby DavidMcC » Mar 14, 2012 4:32 pm

MacIver, you have misuanderstoiod the point about gorillas. They form part of the chimps' environment, but not of the bonobos' environment. That is their relevance. It's nothing to do with how closely they are related. If it wasn't gorillas, but cats, say, then competition from cats would be the cause of the problem for chimps.
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#8  Postby DavidMcC » Mar 14, 2012 4:44 pm

... To put it more succinctly, the problem caused by the gorillas has to do with their ecological relationship with chimps, not their evolutionary relationship.
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#9  Postby DavidMcC » Mar 14, 2012 4:45 pm

... The chimps are simply on the wrong side of the river Congo, whereas the bonobos aren't.
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#10  Postby Nostalgia » Mar 14, 2012 4:47 pm

Ah. Sorry about that. I understand your point now.

You may be onto something there. A less competitive environment could quite logically result in a less violent population, as we see with the bonobos. I wonder whether the female-dominance is a result of this? Or if it is a unrelated phenomenon.
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#11  Postby DavidMcC » Mar 14, 2012 4:51 pm

Sorry, I should have said "Zambezi", not "Congo", my bad, but the main point has been made in the scientific literature by ecologists. I didn't just pull it out of my head.
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#12  Postby Evolving » Mar 14, 2012 5:05 pm

I think it is the Congo, DavidMcC, not the Zambezi: you were right the first time!

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#13  Postby HughMcB » Mar 14, 2012 5:19 pm

DavidMcC wrote:> And the theory that they are like this because they society is female dominated seems rather believable to me.

Believable, perhaps, and there may well be some truth in it, but it isn't necesarily the whole truth, as it is known that bonobos evolved without the severe competition for food from gorillas that the chimps had to deal with.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonobo

It has been hypothesised that bonobos are able to live a more peaceful lifestyle in part because of an abundance of nutritious vegetation in their natural habitat, allowing them to travel and forage in large parties.[46]

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#14  Postby biscuit » Mar 14, 2012 5:24 pm

MacIver wrote:

That bonobos are a more gentile species than their chimpanzee cousins is a widely know fact.


Chimpanzees are Jewish???


oh yes...so they are..

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#15  Postby DavidMcC » Mar 14, 2012 5:26 pm

Evolving wrote:I think it is the Congo, DavidMcC, not the Zambezi: you were right the first time!


Maybe so, evolving, but now I'm not sure if it's a case of changing river names!
Anyway, whatever it's called now, as the map here shows, the bonobos are more severely restricted in their range than the chimps, so there are fewer of them in spite of their easier life.

http://anthro.palomar.edu/primate/prim_7.htm
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#16  Postby DavidMcC » Mar 14, 2012 5:28 pm

biscuit wrote:
MacIver wrote:

That bonobos are a more gentile species than their chimpanzee cousins is a widely know fact.


Chimpanzees are Jewish???


oh yes...so they are..

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Love it! I knew that chimps like to wear hats, but I didn't know that was the reason! :lol:
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#17  Postby DavidMcC » Mar 15, 2012 12:47 pm

... As chimps love hats, but also hate rain, I guess that the quickest way to make friends with a chimp (other than giving food when he/she is hungry) would be to give him/her a rain-hat on a rainy day!
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#18  Postby Mr.Samsa » Mar 15, 2012 1:18 pm

MacIver wrote:
LAST September, deep in the swamp forest of the Democratic Republic of the Congo, Nahoko Tokuyama of Kyoto University in Japan heard a scream. It came from a male bonobo whose hand was trapped in a snare. What happened next shows that bonobos (Pan paniscus) don't forget their lost friends, and will travel long distances to find them. This caring behaviour may be down to the species' female leadership.

The snares are set to catch other species, says Tokuyama's colleague Takeshi Furuichi. Injured animals almost always get left behind and die.

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The next morning, to the researchers' surprise, the bonobos travelled almost 2 kilometres back to where they had last seen their injured friend. The animals had already ruled out the area as a good source of fruit, suggesting they went back just to find him. He had moved on, but rejoined the group six weeks later .


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That bonobos are a more gentile species than their chimpanzee cousins is a widely know fact. And the theory that they are like this because they society is female dominated seems rather believable to me.


I don't think the belief that bonobos are "peaceful" has been accepted for a while now. Unlike other apes and monkeys, bonobos are fairly unique in that not only will they physically attack any outsiders that come within their area, but the female leaders will actively organise hunting parties to chase these primates down into neighbouring territories, where they will capture them, bring them back to their territory, and then eat them.

The story in the news article is an interesting anecdote, I'd be interested in seeing some scientific evidence to back it up.
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#19  Postby Evolving » Mar 15, 2012 1:49 pm

Mr.Samsa wrote:
I don't think the belief that bonobos are "peaceful" has been accepted for a while now. Unlike other apes and monkeys, bonobos are fairly unique in that not only will they physically attack any outsiders that come within their area, but the female leaders will actively organise hunting parties to chase these primates down into neighbouring territories, where they will capture them, bring them back to their territory, and then eat them.


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#20  Postby biscuit » Mar 15, 2012 1:52 pm

Mr.Samsa wrote:

I don't think the belief that bonobos are "peaceful" has been accepted for a while now. .


Likewise with human females

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