pl0bs wrote:

DavidMcC wrote:EDIT: Best not to be guided too much by pl0bs, though. Plants sense light, even though they don't experience it.

We actually dont know if they experience it or not. The idea that they have experiences conflicts with our anthropomorphic intuitions.

Btw dont believe everything the chaps here say about me, theyve been trolling me for years just because im not a physicalist.

We've been trolling pl0bs for years.

Yep, time to bring another Irony meter home.

pl0bs wrote:So the idea that some organ evolved over time and then actually created something new (C), is inconsistent with how everything else in evolution works. If something ever deserved to be called a miracle, the creation of C by brains would be it.

In that case, you must think that all species (or even all individuals?) must have existed since the big bang, right?

C isn't a thing, "created by brains", it's just the way our particular kind of brain works, that's all. It's the brain's way of representing the mass of input data it receives from the senses (mainly the eyes) in an easily understandable format. It is sometimes sad that a picture is worth a thousand words, and there is something in that.

DavidMcC wrote:

pl0bs wrote:So the idea that some organ evolved over time and then actually created something new (C), is inconsistent with how everything else in evolution works. If something ever deserved to be called a miracle, the creation of C by brains would be it.

In that case, you must think that all species (or even all individuals?) must have existed since the big bang, right?

C isn't a thing, "created by brains", it's just the way our particular kind of brain works, that's all. It's the brain's way of representing the mass of input data it receives from the senses (mainly the eyes) in an easily understandable format. It is sometimes sad that a picture is worth a thousand words, and there is something in that.

Response is here: http://www.rationalskepticism.org/post2 ... l#p2286278

pl0bs wrote:...Response is here: http://www.rationalskepticism.org/post2 ... l#p2286278

So, you think consciousness is just an arrangement of particles and forces, just like brains, cats and trees? Or do you think it is consciousness that arranges particles and forces?

pl0bs wrote:Btw dont believe everything the chaps here say about me, theyve been trolling me for years just because im not a physicalist.

So does everyone who's 'not a physicalist' write posts dripping with sad juvenile arrogance and pathetic repeated claims to have 'won' every conversation despite quite clearly having little or no ability to convince anyone of anything?

pl0bs wrote:

DavidMcC wrote:EDIT: Best not to be guided too much by pl0bs, though. Plants sense light, even though they don't experience it.

We actually dont know if they experience it or not. The idea that they have experiences conflicts with our anthropomorphic intuitions.

Btw dont believe everything the chaps here say about me, theyve been trolling me for years just because im not a physicalist.

Yes plobs We explain ourselves in excruciating degree every time you ignore us because we are trolling you.