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#1  Postby Macdoc » Nov 14, 2018 9:41 pm


After facing near extinction, mountain gorilla population grows


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New findings a 'beacon of hope,' though only 1,000 left in the wild
The Associated Press · Posted: Nov 14, 2018 1:04 PM ET | Last Updated: 3 hours ago

https://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/moun ... -1.4904680
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#2  Postby laklak » Nov 15, 2018 3:49 am

Dead gorilla bounce?

I hope not.
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#3  Postby jamest » Nov 16, 2018 1:09 am

Let's cut to the chase. Almost everyone's love of nature here, just as democracy, wears thin in consideration of one's nation and/or wallet.

Your politicians are doing 'just enough' to stop you from feeling too guilty and reactive about global warming. That's their attitude toward things like these animals too. That's why they're so slow to do anything: they only respond to popular pressure in order to sustain the status quo. That's the way it's always been.

Unfortunately, The Western populace is too sedate to affect anything these days unless it thinnens their wallets especially or offends their nationalism/religion.

So, the government acts to the extent that a species at the point of extinction doubles its size to a couple of thousand and the people blindingly believe that their government (thus) has their interests as paramount at all times.

Wakey wakey. The democratic relationship between government and people resides wholly in the government's decision to effect policies which will please the masses sufficient to prolongue their own power and particular ideoligies. To the point that governments will change their opinions in order to sustain power and their own particular ideology. Even when the vast majority of the populace are effectively as dumb as Gorillas.
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#4  Postby felltoearth » Nov 16, 2018 5:40 am

Thinnens?
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#5  Postby Blackadder » Nov 16, 2018 2:02 pm

jamest wrote:Let's cut to the chase. Almost everyone's love of nature here, just as democracy, wears thin in consideration of one's nation and/or wallet.

Your politicians are doing 'just enough' to stop you from feeling too guilty and reactive about global warming. That's their attitude toward things like these animals too. That's why they're so slow to do anything: they only respond to popular pressure in order to sustain the status quo. That's the way it's always been.

Unfortunately, The Western populace is too sedate to affect anything these days unless it thinnens their wallets especially or offends their nationalism/religion.

So, the government acts to the extent that a species at the point of extinction doubles its size to a couple of thousand and the people blindingly believe that their government (thus) has their interests as paramount at all times.

Wakey wakey. The democratic relationship between government and people resides wholly in the government's decision to effect policies which will please the masses sufficient to prolongue their own power and particular ideoligies. To the point that governments will change their opinions in order to sustain power and their own particular ideology. Even when the vast majority of the populace are effectively as dumb as Gorillas.


Effecting large scale changes in the behaviour of the human population is rarely done quickly or cleanly and almost never instantaneously. Sometimes the agents of change may be unexpected, or of questionable intent but if their actions bring change for the better, then it should be welcomed.

There will always be the sneering cynics who will deride any attempts to make the world a better place unless the process fully accords with their highly developed sense of purity. Fuck them. If we start saving a small population of gorillas from what looked like inevitable extinction, that is a good thing. For those of us who live in the "real" world that is. Yeah, yeah, I know...
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#6  Postby Macdoc » Nov 16, 2018 2:21 pm

A million small Manhattan projects ...people, families, groups, towns, cities, states undertake their own iniatives ....gov be fucked at times. ( California notably these days )

Here's a good one

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Young whooping cranes destined for the Eastern Migratory Population of reintroduced birds completing their first migration, from Wisconsin to Florida, in January 2009, following an ultralight aircraft.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whooping_ ... Cranes.jpg

They don't sit at home and moan .....did you plant any trees Jamest as was suggested ?.. :coffee:
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#7  Postby jamest » Nov 17, 2018 1:08 am

Blackadder wrote:
jamest wrote:Let's cut to the chase. Almost everyone's love of nature here, just as democracy, wears thin in consideration of one's nation and/or wallet.

Your politicians are doing 'just enough' to stop you from feeling too guilty and reactive about global warming. That's their attitude toward things like these animals too. That's why they're so slow to do anything: they only respond to popular pressure in order to sustain the status quo. That's the way it's always been.

Unfortunately, The Western populace is too sedate to affect anything these days unless it thinnens their wallets especially or offends their nationalism/religion.

So, the government acts to the extent that a species at the point of extinction doubles its size to a couple of thousand and the people blindingly believe that their government (thus) has their interests as paramount at all times.

Wakey wakey. The democratic relationship between government and people resides wholly in the government's decision to effect policies which will please the masses sufficient to prolongue their own power and particular ideoligies. To the point that governments will change their opinions in order to sustain power and their own particular ideology. Even when the vast majority of the populace are effectively as dumb as Gorillas.


Effecting large scale changes in the behaviour of the human population is rarely done quickly or cleanly and almost never instantaneously. Sometimes the agents of change may be unexpected, or of questionable intent but if their actions bring change for the better, then it should be welcomed.

There will always be the sneering cynics who will deride any attempts to make the world a better place unless the process fully accords with their highly developed sense of purity. Fuck them. If we start saving a small population of gorillas from what looked like inevitable extinction, that is a good thing. For those of us who live in the "real" world that is. Yeah, yeah, I know...

I'm a UK citizen in the 21st century who is currently wondering whether our politicians and populace will put up with this attempt to undermine/supplant our democratic decision to leave the EU in favour of greed and nationalism. Across the Channel, 'our friends' are threatening to shaft us, and probably will. Across The Pond, Donald Trump is in charge and he's putting "America first". So is Russia, China, North Korea. As is Scotland!

Forgive me for smirking at your cynicism towards my sneering cynicism. Wtf. :nono:
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Re: Good news for once for our relatives

#8  Postby Macdoc » Nov 17, 2018 4:14 am

The trees Jamest, the trees ....think about the forest to come ....nose in the loam ..:coffee:
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#9  Postby laklak » Nov 17, 2018 4:18 am

Gotta start somewhere.
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#10  Postby Alan B » Nov 17, 2018 12:09 pm

In the OP photo, I notice at least three 'Silverbacks'. I thought that they would be territorial to the extent of not allowing any 'competition' in the same group. :ask:
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#11  Postby laklak » Nov 17, 2018 2:34 pm

They're getting ready for their daily game of Rummy at the club.
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#12  Postby Alan B » Nov 17, 2018 4:11 pm

I see. Hmmm. :think:
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