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Re: Doctor Who [SPOILERS]

#1721  Postby OlivierK » Nov 26, 2018 7:54 pm

Thomas Eshuis wrote:Finally, as several reviews have noted; the dialogue in this episode was repetitive and to expositional.

Haven't seen it yet, but the level of expositional dialogue has been ridiculously high all season.

We usually sit down and watch Who as a family each weekend (and timezones mean we're a week behind as it airs here on Mondays now, another poor change for us) but are on the edge of giving up on this season. Yet another weakly scripted episode will do us in, I reckon. The blatantly expositional dialogue already has my kids yelling at the television.
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Re: Doctor Who [SPOILERS]

#1722  Postby Thomas Eshuis » Nov 26, 2018 9:37 pm

OlivierK wrote:
Thomas Eshuis wrote:Finally, as several reviews have noted; the dialogue in this episode was repetitive and to expositional.

Haven't seen it yet, but the level of expositional dialogue has been ridiculously high all season.

This weeks episode had Doctor realizing and ex-positing something the villain had just got done explaining to them....
"Respect for personal beliefs = "I am going to tell you all what I think of YOU, but don't dare retort and tell what you think of ME because...it's my personal belief". Hmm. A bully's charter and no mistake."
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#1723  Postby Thomas Eshuis » Nov 26, 2018 9:37 pm

electricwhiteboy wrote:
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The king was way to hammy and rather superfluous


There's a fair chance that was what King James VI was actually like.

Could very well be, but it took me completely out of it. Especially since his addition to the story did not really add anything substantive imo.
"Respect for personal beliefs = "I am going to tell you all what I think of YOU, but don't dare retort and tell what you think of ME because...it's my personal belief". Hmm. A bully's charter and no mistake."
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#1724  Postby Agi Hammerthief » Nov 27, 2018 7:55 pm

it wasn’t as awful as Robot of Sherwood.


sadly that is entirely not difficult.
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#1725  Postby Ironclad » Nov 27, 2018 9:13 pm

I read that the story writer is on his way out, as is the new Doctor
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#1726  Postby Agi Hammerthief » Nov 27, 2018 9:48 pm

Ironclad wrote:I read that the story writer is on his way out,

the writer of last sundays?

as is the new Doctor

I read that in a question on youtube, got a more reliable source?
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#1727  Postby OlivierK » Nov 27, 2018 11:04 pm

Ironclad wrote:I read that the story writer is on his way out, as is the new Doctor

I read that Whittaker's second season has already started production, presumably with Chibnall still at the helm.

It's the scripts that are the issue for me: inconsistent, preachy, and full of telling rather than showing. One of the hallmarks of good Doctor Who is cleverness. Not much cleverness in this season, just lots of deus ex machina bollocks.
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#1728  Postby electricwhiteboy » Nov 27, 2018 11:31 pm

OlivierK wrote:
Ironclad wrote:I read that the story writer is on his way out, as is the new Doctor

I read that Whittaker's second season has already started production, presumably with Chibnall still at the helm.

It's the scripts that are the issue for me: inconsistent, preachy, and full of telling rather than showing. One of the hallmarks of good Doctor Who is cleverness. Not much cleverness in this season, just lots of deus ex machina bollocks.


Chibbers wasn't as truly fucking bollocks as I had feared given his past form on the show. Now the dust is settling and we're in business as usual the picture isn't too pretty again. There's a very obvious formula that seems a lot more prescriptive, and that's never a good thing.
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#1729  Postby Ironclad » Nov 27, 2018 11:57 pm

Agi Hammerthief wrote:
Ironclad wrote:I read that the story writer is on his way out,

the writer of last sundays?

as is the new Doctor

I read that in a question on youtube, got a more reliable source?
Chibnall; and no, sorry. Gossip from YouTube only
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#1730  Postby Agi Hammerthief » Nov 28, 2018 7:50 am

OlivierK wrote:just lots of deus ex machina bollocks.

a strange complaint on a show where the ailien invasion is stopped by another alien.
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#1731  Postby OlivierK » Nov 28, 2018 9:39 am

I'm talking in terms of the plot. Rather than working towards towards a solution, one just drops out of the sky - in this case a minimally secured obsolete delivery robot that just happens to be able to overwrite delivery instructions (why would it have this capacity) in the current version of the system (why would the system require such backwards compatibility?) for the entire current fleet of Kerblam men. The stuff they encounter just happens to have exactly the unlikely attributes required by the plot, for no good reason. It's lazy as fuck.
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#1732  Postby Agi Hammerthief » Nov 28, 2018 9:50 am

eh, better than holding her sonic to a megaphone to do the job to cover the whole assembled fleet.
given the sonics abilites: entirely plausible and totally boring.


also: so you had no problems with a watch collecting all sorts of Mc Guffin Particles that allow it to direct the TARDIS to a specific place in time and space?
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#1733  Postby minininja » Dec 02, 2018 11:24 pm

Many different brutal, horrifying, and laughably silly moments in the latest episode. Loved it. :mrgreen:
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#1734  Postby Thomas Eshuis » Dec 03, 2018 9:31 am

It had a lot of neat concepts but some of the execution fell short imo, as did some of the jokes/silliness.
"Respect for personal beliefs = "I am going to tell you all what I think of YOU, but don't dare retort and tell what you think of ME because...it's my personal belief". Hmm. A bully's charter and no mistake."
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#1735  Postby Alan B » Dec 03, 2018 9:39 pm

I'm beginning to lose interest - same theme different locations. She could do a lot better and she is OK as the Doctor, but...can't quite put my finger on it. I always had Doctor Who on 'record' in case I'm out and watched it as soon as I could. Now, though, if there is anything else worth watching I'll watch that first and 'do' the Doctor some other time.

But I'll continue watching, just in case...
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Re: Doctor Who [SPOILERS]

#1736  Postby Agi Hammerthief » Dec 04, 2018 9:09 pm

feels like the Doctor is running with the handbrake on.

still quite happy I bought the season instead of waiting a year or so for the public library to have the box for a binge.
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Re: Doctor Who [SPOILERS]

#1737  Postby Agi Hammerthief » Dec 11, 2018 9:13 pm

nice finale,

now, can we have a whole season like that next time?
pretty please with sprinkles on top.
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Re: Doctor Who [SPOILERS]

#1738  Postby Thomas Eshuis » Dec 11, 2018 10:25 pm

Nice episode, lackluster finale.
Missed learning more about the Stenza. Unx pretty 2-D, locking up Tim Shaw seems to telegraph he'll be back some time.
"Respect for personal beliefs = "I am going to tell you all what I think of YOU, but don't dare retort and tell what you think of ME because...it's my personal belief". Hmm. A bully's charter and no mistake."
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Re: Doctor Who [SPOILERS]

#1739  Postby Agi Hammerthief » Dec 12, 2018 6:53 am

Thomas Eshuis wrote:Nice episode, lackluster finale.
Missed learning more about the Stenza. Unx pretty 2-D, locking up Tim Shaw seems to telegraph he'll be back some time.
yeah, not so much a finale as a „now, let’s get started“

I wonder if they realize that all this „don’t kill him“ of (recurring) villains actually gives the vievers the impression that blowing peoples heads off is the better option in the long run.

In the words of 11: „no second chances!“
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Re: Doctor Who [SPOILERS]

#1740  Postby Thomas Eshuis » Dec 12, 2018 7:30 am

Agi Hammerthief wrote:
Thomas Eshuis wrote:Nice episode, lackluster finale.
Missed learning more about the Stenza. Unx pretty 2-D, locking up Tim Shaw seems to telegraph he'll be back some time.
yeah, not so much a finale as a „now, let’s get started“

I wonder if they realize that all this „don’t kill him“ of (recurring) villains actually gives the vievers the impression that blowing peoples heads off is the better option in the long run.

In the words of 11: „no second chances!“

Heck, they did not even have to kill, just no leave him in a prison he designed himself.
"Respect for personal beliefs = "I am going to tell you all what I think of YOU, but don't dare retort and tell what you think of ME because...it's my personal belief". Hmm. A bully's charter and no mistake."
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