Dracula

laklak · **#81** by **laklak** » Jan 04, 2020 8:52 pm

Starts streaming on U.S. Netflix today, we'll give it a watch.

minininja · **#82** by **minininja** » Jan 05, 2020 12:50 pm

I gave up part way through the second episode after this got stuck in my head:

Thomas Eshuis · **#83** by **Thomas Eshuis** » Jan 05, 2020 7:45 pm

Started episode 3. I like it.
Two plotholes/questions I noticed though:
1. In the convent in Budapest, why was Dracula able to cross the sacred line, when it was Johnny who was invited, not him?
2. On the Demeter, why did Dracula have to put himself in the crate with dirt, when the ship was sinking, if he could walk under water anyway?

Svartalf · **#84** by **Svartalf** » Jan 05, 2020 10:10 pm

I haven't seen the series , but about the Demeter bit If it happened at daybreak, he might have needed the soil of the homeland more than swimming ability

aufbahrung · **#85** by **aufbahrung** » Jan 05, 2020 10:17 pm

Svartalf wrote:I haven't seen the series , but about the Demeter bit If it happened at daybreak, he might have needed the soil of the homeland more than swimming ability

He was thinking ahead, probably not 123 years ahead. cheapskates to use crates rather than coffins. Figured that one out myself.

Thomas Eshuis · **#86** by **Thomas Eshuis** » Jan 05, 2020 11:03 pm

Svartalf wrote:I haven't seen the series , but about the Demeter bit If it happened at daybreak, he might have needed the soil of the homeland more than swimming ability

Nope, he was standing on deck when it happened.

scott1328 · **#87** by **scott1328** » Jan 06, 2020 9:26 pm

I watched the first episode last night on Netflix and quite enjoyed it. Sister Agatha was quite engaging. Her accent and her face brought to mind Isabella Rosselini and/or her mother Ingrid Bergman.

scott1328 · **#88** by **scott1328** » Jan 08, 2020 5:12 pm

Thomas Eshuis wrote:Started episode 3. I like it.
Two plotholes/questions I noticed though:
1. In the convent in Budapest, why was Dracula able to cross the sacred line, when it was Johnny who was invited, not him?
2. On the Demeter, why did Dracula have to put himself in the crate with dirt, when the ship was sinking, if he could walk under water anyway?

Considering that all these rules Dracula followed were not really rules at all, what you noted are not really plot holes at all.

Spearthrower · **#89** by **Spearthrower** » Jan 08, 2020 5:42 pm

Thomas Eshuis wrote:Started episode 3. I like it.
Two plotholes/questions I noticed though:
1. In the convent in Budapest, why was Dracula able to cross the sacred line, when it was Johnny who was invited, not him?

It was implied that the English dude - his 'bride' - invited him in.

Thomas Eshuis · **#90** by **Thomas Eshuis** » Jan 08, 2020 10:11 pm

scott1328 wrote:
Thomas Eshuis wrote:Started episode 3. I like it.
Two plotholes/questions I noticed though:
1. In the convent in Budapest, why was Dracula able to cross the sacred line, when it was Johnny who was invited, not him?
2. On the Demeter, why did Dracula have to put himself in the crate with dirt, when the ship was sinking, if he could walk under water anyway?

Considering that all these rules Dracula followed were not really rules at all, what you noted are not really plot holes at all.

Except that Dracula reacted to all superstitious rules including make-shift crosses at every occasion, so the invitation thing should not have worked because he'd know he wasn't Johnny and there was never a reason given for why Dracula would fear going down with the ship.

Thomas Eshuis · **#91** by **Thomas Eshuis** » Jan 08, 2020 10:13 pm

Spearthrower wrote:
Thomas Eshuis wrote:Started episode 3. I like it.
Two plotholes/questions I noticed though:
1. In the convent in Budapest, why was Dracula able to cross the sacred line, when it was Johnny who was invited, not him?

It was implied that the English dude - his 'bride' - invited him in.

That's how he got access to the nunnery. I am talking about when Dracula has killed all the nuns and enters the dungeon where Agatha and Johnny's wife were hiding behind a comunnion-waver-holy-line which Dracula could only cross upon being invited. Except he wasn't invited, Johnny was. He had disguised himself as Johnny, but would be completely aware that it was not him, but Johnny that was invited in.

scott1328 · **#92** by **scott1328** » Jan 08, 2020 11:51 pm

Thomas Eshuis wrote:
Spearthrower wrote:
Thomas Eshuis wrote:Started episode 3. I like it.
Two plotholes/questions I noticed though:
1. In the convent in Budapest, why was Dracula able to cross the sacred line, when it was Johnny who was invited, not him?

It was implied that the English dude - his 'bride' - invited him in.

That's how he got access to the nunnery. I am talking about when Dracula has killed all the nuns and enters the dungeon where Agatha and Johnny's wife were hiding behind a comunnion-waver-holy-line which Dracula could only cross upon being invited. Except he wasn't invited, Johnny was. He had disguised himself as Johnny, but would be completely aware that it was not him, but Johnny that was invited in.

is it really that hard to imagine that Dracula was inconsistent in how he applied his self-imposed, superstitious phobias?

Spearthrower · **#93** by **Spearthrower** » Jan 09, 2020 5:02 am

Thomas Eshuis wrote:
Spearthrower wrote:
Thomas Eshuis wrote:Started episode 3. I like it.
Two plotholes/questions I noticed though:
1. In the convent in Budapest, why was Dracula able to cross the sacred line, when it was Johnny who was invited, not him?

It was implied that the English dude - his 'bride' - invited him in.

That's how he got access to the nunnery. I am talking about when Dracula has killed all the nuns and enters the dungeon where Agatha and Johnny's wife were hiding behind a comunnion-waver-holy-line which Dracula could only cross upon being invited. Except he wasn't invited, Johnny was. He had disguised himself as Johnny, but would be completely aware that it was not him, but Johnny that was invited in.

If you're disguised as Bob and I invite you in thinking your Bob with the words "Come in" then I guess that's just how it works.

Thomas Eshuis · **#94** by **Thomas Eshuis** » Jan 09, 2020 8:31 am

scott1328 wrote:
Thomas Eshuis wrote:
Spearthrower wrote:
Thomas Eshuis wrote:Started episode 3. I like it.
Two plotholes/questions I noticed though:
1. In the convent in Budapest, why was Dracula able to cross the sacred line, when it was Johnny who was invited, not him?

It was implied that the English dude - his 'bride' - invited him in.

That's how he got access to the nunnery. I am talking about when Dracula has killed all the nuns and enters the dungeon where Agatha and Johnny's wife were hiding behind a comunnion-waver-holy-line which Dracula could only cross upon being invited. Except he wasn't invited, Johnny was. He had disguised himself as Johnny, but would be completely aware that it was not him, but Johnny that was invited in.

is it really that hard to imagine that Dracula was inconsistent in how he applied his self-imposed, superstitious phobias?

Not at all, it just that that contravenes the way he's portrayed in the show. Head-cannon can fix just about anything.

newolder · **#95** by **newolder** » Jan 09, 2020 9:11 am

Thomas Eshuis wrote:
scott1328 wrote:
Thomas Eshuis wrote:
Spearthrower wrote:

It was implied that the English dude - his 'bride' - invited him in.

That's how he got access to the nunnery. I am talking about when Dracula has killed all the nuns and enters the dungeon where Agatha and Johnny's wife were hiding behind a comunnion-waver-holy-line which Dracula could only cross upon being invited. Except he wasn't invited, Johnny was. He had disguised himself as Johnny, but would be completely aware that it was not him, but Johnny that was invited in.

is it really that hard to imagine that Dracula was inconsistent in how he applied his self-imposed, superstitious phobias?

Not at all, it just that that contravenes the way he's portrayed in the show. Head-cannon can fix just about anything.

Dracula was wearing the skin of Johnny boy but the eyes were still his own.

"Look into my eyes. Not around the eyes but into them..." [/Little Britain]

Anyhoo, where did Dracula sleep in Part the third? All his soil was at the bottom of the North Sea, wasn't it?

Fallible · **#96** by **Fallible** » Jan 09, 2020 12:31 pm

Perhaps his lawyer sorted him some more.

I may have missed something, but it came across to me like Dracula more kind of took on his form like he did with the wolf, rather than just wore his skin.

newolder · **#97** by **newolder** » Jan 09, 2020 12:50 pm

Fallible wrote:Perhaps his lawyer sorted him some more.

Probably.

I may have missed something, but it came across to me like Dracula more kind of took on his form like he did with the wolf, rather than just wore his skin.

I had to go and put the kettle on whilst he emerged from within Johnny but, iirc, the eyes were part of the inner being all along. It's all (for me) just for laughs and giggles anyhoo & plot holes are always expected...

Fallible · **#98** by **Fallible** » Jan 09, 2020 12:53 pm

Yarp, same here. I die a bit inside when things like this are examined too closely.

scott1328 · **#99** by **scott1328** » Jan 09, 2020 1:03 pm

newolder wrote:
Thomas Eshuis wrote:
scott1328 wrote:
Thomas Eshuis wrote:
That's how he got access to the nunnery. I am talking about when Dracula has killed all the nuns and enters the dungeon where Agatha and Johnny's wife were hiding behind a comunnion-waver-holy-line which Dracula could only cross upon being invited. Except he wasn't invited, Johnny was. He had disguised himself as Johnny, but would be completely aware that it was not him, but Johnny that was invited in.

is it really that hard to imagine that Dracula was inconsistent in how he applied his self-imposed, superstitious phobias?

Not at all, it just that that contravenes the way he's portrayed in the show. Head-cannon can fix just about anything.

Dracula was wearing the skin of Johnny boy but the eyes were still his own.

"Look into my eyes. Not around the eyes but into them..." [/Little Britain]

Anyhoo, where did Dracula sleep in Part the third? All his soil was at the bottom of the North Sea, wasn't it?

No, they told him they imported soil from Transylvania for him to lie in. This was shown when they captured him at the house he invaded. Based on the later reveal that all these limitations were superstitious, it is not clear whether that soil really was Transylvanian or not.

newolder · **#100** by **newolder** » Jan 09, 2020 1:08 pm

^ Goddit now, thanks!

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