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Re: Figure skating et al at the Olympics

#21  Postby aban57 » Feb 12, 2018 3:35 pm

Crocodile Gandhi wrote: football (though I don't think it should be an olympic sport) and actual tennis (I have the same feelings about this as football).


Why ?
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#22  Postby Macdoc » Feb 12, 2018 3:50 pm

Sport is sport and not all are included in the Olympics but one neat thing with some of the popular sports like football is it brings teams into a national alignment.
For instance some of our Korean Canadian hockey players are playing on the Korean joint team - this is good for global relations IMNSHO
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#23  Postby Scot Dutchy » Feb 12, 2018 4:49 pm

And the Netherlands and still second on the table.
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#24  Postby Scot Dutchy » Feb 12, 2018 4:50 pm

Macdoc wrote:Sport is sport and not all are included in the Olympics but one neat thing with some of the popular sports like football is it brings teams into a national alignment.
For instance some of our Korean Canadian hockey players are playing on the Korean joint team - this is good for global relations IMNSHO


Dont tell the orange scrotum that.
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#25  Postby Scot Dutchy » Feb 12, 2018 4:55 pm

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Boxing (bare fisted) was a knock out and wrestling was a submission.


Neither of those are correct according to the site I checked - wrestling was 3 ground contacts which could be a shoulder, knee etc, and boxing was with leather on the fists.


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[/Wrestling (pale) is recorded as being introduced at the 18th Olympiad. Three throws were necessary for a win. A throw was counted if the body, hip, back or shoulder (and possibly knee) touched the ground. If both competitors fell nothing was counted. Unlike its modern counterpart Greco-Roman wrestling, it is likely that tripping was allowed.[56]

Boxing (pygmachia) was first listed in 688 BC,[57] the boys event sixty years later. The laws of boxing were ascribed to the first Olympic champion Onomastus of Smyrna.[58] It appears body-blows were either not permitted or not practised.[59][60] The Spartans, who claimed to have invented boxing, quickly abandoned it and did not take part in boxing competitions.[58] At first the boxers wore himantes (sing. himas), long leather strips which were wrapped around their hands.[57]
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Scoring in wrestling is objective. You dont get style points. Nothing is mentioned about boxing scoring.
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#26  Postby Macdoc » Feb 12, 2018 5:12 pm

I assume no one else is bingeing on curling eh ?? :coffee:

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#27  Postby Shrunk » Feb 12, 2018 5:34 pm

Macdoc wrote:I assume no one else is bingeing on curling eh ?? :coffee:

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Well, no. Kaitlyn Lawes looked like she was really choking yesterday, but righted herself in time.
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Re: Figure skating et al at the Olympics

#28  Postby Shrunk » Feb 12, 2018 5:36 pm

The Dutch continue to dominate the long track to an insane degree. Six of the nine medals awarded so far, all of the gold. And one of the silver winners, though skating for Canada, is Dutch born.
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#29  Postby I'm With Stupid » Feb 12, 2018 6:58 pm

The women's slopestyle was ridiculous. Nobody could put down a clean run. It was amazing no-one got injured.

Enjoyed the men's moguls today.

The other highlight of the game so far was Adam Rippon's arse.

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#30  Postby Scot Dutchy » Feb 12, 2018 7:04 pm

Shrunk wrote:The Dutch continue to dominate the long track to an insane degree. Six of the nine medals awarded so far, all of the gold. And one of the silver winners, though skating for Canada, is Dutch born.


It is the sport in the north and west. Anther new stadium is being built in Friesland. The big problem is we have not has any natural ice for a years now so the number of kids skating has fallen. Many dont like skating on artificial ice. Hearing the ice cracking is for some a big thrill.
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#31  Postby monkeyboy » Feb 13, 2018 8:47 am

Macdoc wrote:I assume no one else is bingeing on curling eh ?? :coffee:

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I'm back to watching the curling. It's oddly addictive
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#32  Postby newolder » Feb 13, 2018 9:07 am

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Macdoc wrote:I assume no one else is bingeing on curling eh ?? :coffee:

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I'm back to watching the curling. It's oddly addictive


What, if anything, is the significance of the "pin in the middle of the Olympic rings" in curling? To my memory, yesterday was the first mention of the thing but there was no further explanation given. :dunno: It is well addictive though.
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#33  Postby aban57 » Feb 13, 2018 9:52 am

Curling is like Pétanque. Without the Pastis.
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#34  Postby Scot Dutchy » Feb 13, 2018 10:12 am

aban57 wrote:Curling is like Pétanque. Without the Pastis.


Well you dont actually throw the stones. :lol:
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#35  Postby Crocodile Gandhi » Feb 13, 2018 11:11 am

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Crocodile Gandhi wrote: football (though I don't think it should be an olympic sport) and actual tennis (I have the same feelings about this as football).


Why ?


Because nobody growing up playing football or tennis says "What I really want is to win an olympic gold medal". Aside from anything else, the football is a farce because it's an under 23 competition. There's no footballer who would rather win an olympic gold than a world cup. Hell, there's no footballer who would rather win an olympic gold than the Champion's League.

Same argument for tennis. Every tennis player would rather win a grand slam tournament than an olympic gold. Federer has never won a gold medal in the singles at the Olympics but no one takes that into consideration when considering his greatness.

I'm sure all the athletes who win gold in the tennis or football are proud as punch to get it, but they'd happily trade it in for the bigger honours in their sport.
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Re: Figure skating et al at the Olympics

#36  Postby zulumoose » Feb 13, 2018 11:42 am

I'm sure all the athletes who win gold in the tennis or football are proud as punch to get it, but they'd happily trade it in for the bigger honours in their sport.


True, but is the purpose of the Olympics to only host events for which it can claim to represent the top honour?
in many events it does hold that status, but competes with world championships.
In some events nothing can come close to an Olympic medal, or even being an Olympian.

I don't think a sport should be dropped from the Olympics because it is not the most coveted honour for the participants, it should be dropped if it is not considered to be representative of the sport.
Don't drop a sport because the participants would rather win something else, drop it if becomes apparent that the teams presented by participating countries are weak due to valuable players being held back for other events, or participants/audiences are not taking it seriously.
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#37  Postby Crocodile Gandhi » Feb 13, 2018 11:49 am

In that case, football should absolutely go. A lot of the best countries don't even qualify even though they could put together an extremely good u23 side. Each team is allowed a couple of over 23 players, but you don't see the top guys competing.

And no fans take it seriously. The football final at the Olympics would be watched by a smaller world audience than a regular season game between Manchester United and Stoke.
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Re: Figure skating et al at the Olympics

#38  Postby Shrunk » Feb 13, 2018 11:54 am

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Macdoc wrote:I assume no one else is bingeing on curling eh ?? :coffee:

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I'm back to watching the curling. It's oddly addictive


What, if anything, is the significance of the "pin in the middle of the Olympic rings" in curling? To my memory, yesterday was the first mention of the thing but there was no further explanation given. :dunno: It is well addictive though.


Clutch shot by Laws to score 4. Canada 6 Switzerland 2 after 3.
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#39  Postby zulumoose » Feb 13, 2018 11:57 am

In that case, football should absolutely go. A lot of the best countries don't even qualify even though they could put together an extremely good u23 side. Each team is allowed a couple of over 23 players, but you don't see the top guys competing.

And no fans take it seriously. The football final at the Olympics would be watched by a smaller world audience than a regular season game between Manchester United and Stoke.


Certainly sounds like football should go when you put it like that. Wonder how they motivate to include it when you consider the logistics of such large teams, entire stadiums for each match, and the low level of prestige associated with it. Tennis at least is resource friendly.
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#40  Postby Shrunk » Feb 13, 2018 12:05 pm

What a shot Laws just made with her last of End 4, to force the Swiss to waste their power play on a single. No nerves today from her.
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