Matthew Shute wrote:The sentencing Jon to the Night's Watch thing didn't make much sense to me. With the army of the dead defeated and peace with the free folk, why would there even still be a Night's Watch? What are they supposed to be guarding the realms of men from, now?

Thomas Eshuis wrote:

Matthew Shute wrote:Such weird pacing this season. We start with 2 slow buildup episodes (which I thought were great, btw), then 10 episodes worth of story and action jammed into the next 3 episodes (with, erm, inevitably mixed results... to put it mildly), and we end with a slow resolution episode, which had some good moments, but for me didn't feel anything like sufficient payoff (and all sorts of mysteries and side plots are left hanging, with most of the relevant characters dead).

Well, at least Jon got a proper reunion with his good doggy.

The sentencing Jon to the Night's Watch thing didn't make much sense to me. With the army of the dead defeated and peace with the free folk, why would there even still be a Night's Watch? What are they supposed to be guarding the realms of men from, now?

I also don't buy Greyworm, the Unsullied and the Dothraki agreeing with that sentence. Speaking of the Dothraki, where'd they go in the resolution?

willhud9 wrote:

Thomas Eshuis wrote:

Matthew Shute wrote:Such weird pacing this season. We start with 2 slow buildup episodes (which I thought were great, btw), then 10 episodes worth of story and action jammed into the next 3 episodes (with, erm, inevitably mixed results... to put it mildly), and we end with a slow resolution episode, which had some good moments, but for me didn't feel anything like sufficient payoff (and all sorts of mysteries and side plots are left hanging, with most of the relevant characters dead).

Well, at least Jon got a proper reunion with his good doggy.

The sentencing Jon to the Night's Watch thing didn't make much sense to me. With the army of the dead defeated and peace with the free folk, why would there even still be a Night's Watch? What are they supposed to be guarding the realms of men from, now?

I also don't buy Greyworm, the Unsullied and the Dothraki agreeing with that sentence. Speaking of the Dothraki, where'd they go in the resolution?

I also don’t buy the fact that after Jon kills Dany that he wouldn’t be executed immediately. Why was he arrested and several weeks pass by? Surely Grey Worm who had no issue butchering Lannister npcs would kill Jon?

purplerat wrote:

willhud9 wrote:

Thomas Eshuis wrote:

Matthew Shute wrote:Such weird pacing this season. We start with 2 slow buildup episodes (which I thought were great, btw), then 10 episodes worth of story and action jammed into the next 3 episodes (with, erm, inevitably mixed results... to put it mildly), and we end with a slow resolution episode, which had some good moments, but for me didn't feel anything like sufficient payoff (and all sorts of mysteries and side plots are left hanging, with most of the relevant characters dead).

Well, at least Jon got a proper reunion with his good doggy.

The sentencing Jon to the Night's Watch thing didn't make much sense to me. With the army of the dead defeated and peace with the free folk, why would there even still be a Night's Watch? What are they supposed to be guarding the realms of men from, now?

I also don't buy Greyworm, the Unsullied and the Dothraki agreeing with that sentence. Speaking of the Dothraki, where'd they go in the resolution?

I also don’t buy the fact that after Jon kills Dany that he wouldn’t be executed immediately. Why was he arrested and several weeks pass by? Surely Grey Worm who had no issue butchering Lannister npcs would kill Jon?

The sentence might be a little hard to believe as justifiable from their POV but just straight up executing Jon immediately would have been pretty dumb on Grey Worm's part.

Thomas Eshuis wrote:
This begs the question that Greyworm would be in a rational state of mind when he'd find John having killed his queen.
I think his actions in the previous episode and the start of this one suggest otherwise.

purplerat wrote:

Thomas Eshuis wrote:
This begs the question that Greyworm would be in a rational state of mind when he'd find John having killed his queen.
I think his actions in the previous episode and the start of this one suggest otherwise.

I suppose that's why we don't see how Jon turns himself in or Grey Worm discovers that he killed Dany.

Personally after episode 5 I thought Grey Worm had slaughtered the surrendering solders in a fit of rage but in the finale he says Dany had instructed him to kill them all, presumably before the battle, something I believe Shrunk called earlier in the thread.

With that in mind I see no reason to think that Grey Worm would be prone to acting irrationally. The Unsullied are if nothing else very poised.

Thomas Eshuis wrote:

purplerat wrote:

Thomas Eshuis wrote:
This begs the question that Greyworm would be in a rational state of mind when he'd find John having killed his queen.
I think his actions in the previous episode and the start of this one suggest otherwise.

I suppose that's why we don't see how Jon turns himself in or Grey Worm discovers that he killed Dany.

Personally after episode 5 I thought Grey Worm had slaughtered the surrendering solders in a fit of rage but in the finale he says Dany had instructed him to kill them all, presumably before the battle, something I believe Shrunk called earlier in the thread.

With that in mind I see no reason to think that Grey Worm would be prone to acting irrationally. The Unsullied are if nothing else very poised.

Did you not see Greyworms facial expressions during these last two episodes? He seemed to act more out of (grief stricken) rage, than coolly following orders.

purplerat wrote:

Thomas Eshuis wrote:

purplerat wrote:

Thomas Eshuis wrote:
This begs the question that Greyworm would be in a rational state of mind when he'd find John having killed his queen.
I think his actions in the previous episode and the start of this one suggest otherwise.

I suppose that's why we don't see how Jon turns himself in or Grey Worm discovers that he killed Dany.

Personally after episode 5 I thought Grey Worm had slaughtered the surrendering solders in a fit of rage but in the finale he says Dany had instructed him to kill them all, presumably before the battle, something I believe Shrunk called earlier in the thread.

With that in mind I see no reason to think that Grey Worm would be prone to acting irrationally. The Unsullied are if nothing else very poised.

Did you not see Greyworms facial expressions during these last two episodes? He seemed to act more out of (grief stricken) rage, than coolly following orders.

I did. As I mentioned in my previous posts and earlier in the thread I say him acting out in rage.

I agree that those actions don't exactly square up with him being able to remain poised and act rationally. Then again I know many real people who will fly off the handle and act on pure emotion in one moment then in another appear completely rational, so...

The point still stands that it would have been stupid for Grey Worm to immediately kill Jon. Whether you want to believe he had the capacity to act intelligently or even rationally is open to interpretation I suppose.

Thomas Eshuis wrote:

purplerat wrote:

Thomas Eshuis wrote:

purplerat wrote:
I suppose that's why we don't see how Jon turns himself in or Grey Worm discovers that he killed Dany.

Personally after episode 5 I thought Grey Worm had slaughtered the surrendering solders in a fit of rage but in the finale he says Dany had instructed him to kill them all, presumably before the battle, something I believe Shrunk called earlier in the thread.

With that in mind I see no reason to think that Grey Worm would be prone to acting irrationally. The Unsullied are if nothing else very poised.

Did you not see Greyworms facial expressions during these last two episodes? He seemed to act more out of (grief stricken) rage, than coolly following orders.

I did. As I mentioned in my previous posts and earlier in the thread I say him acting out in rage.

I agree that those actions don't exactly square up with him being able to remain poised and act rationally. Then again I know many real people who will fly off the handle and act on pure emotion in one moment then in another appear completely rational, so...

The point still stands that it would have been stupid for Grey Worm to immediately kill Jon. Whether you want to believe he had the capacity to act intelligently or even rationally is open to interpretation I suppose.

Of course it wasn't the smart thing to do, neither was threatening to start another war if the other lords did not let him kill John....