So Ripley is getting a grilling from the company and they're questioning the reality of this supposed 'alien' she blew out into space from the airlock. After stating her case one of her interrogators questions this 'alien' she saw and insists that they've seen nothing like this, "in over 300 surveyed worlds".

But we already know over more than that. These people are supposed to be inter-galactic explorers from the future. Therefore I say this film, far from being a timeless classic, has been outdated.

This is what I think about in bed at night.

Animavore wrote:This is what I think about in bed at night.

Hey, if it keeps you from wanking, it's doing God's work

chairman bill wrote:

Animavore wrote:This is what I think about in bed at night.

Hey, if it keeps you from wanking, it's doing God's work

On the contrary...

Animavore wrote:

chairman bill wrote:

Animavore wrote:This is what I think about in bed at night.

Hey, if it keeps you from wanking, it's doing God's work

On the contrary...

Oh I know, that alien is so hot

chairman bill wrote:

Animavore wrote:

chairman bill wrote:

Animavore wrote:This is what I think about in bed at night.

Hey, if it keeps you from wanking, it's doing God's work

On the contrary...

Oh I know, that alien is so hot

Vasquez?

What annoys me is that no sci-fi movie has ever used time dilation properly. It's such a cool idea. For example, a ship going on a round trip to Spica, in the constellation Virgo 260 light years away can get there and home again under high acceleration in a few decades. But hundreds of years would pass on Earth. So you get a cool story of exploring an alien star system and an older and wiser crew essentially travelling into the future as well.

But the crew wouldn't be older and wiser. Because not much time would've traveled from their perspective.

A couple of decades would of. Sure, if you went REALLY fast you could get there in a few minutes, but thousands if not millions of years would pass back on Earth.

Oh and gravity. Fucking gravity.

Okay, zero-g is difficult and expensive to do, that's fine. So build your fictional ships with centrifuges. Some morons will claim you're ripping off 2001 but there's no other way of getting gravity in space without technology far exceeding that which you're shown to have in the movie.

Even recent "hard sci-fi" films like Moon and Sunshine ballsed up on this.

Why do you think the measurements current technology can make of exo-planets constitutes a "survey" in the same sense that is implied by the board room scene you referenced?

scott1328 wrote:Why do you think the measurements current technology can make of exo-planets constitutes a "survey" in the same sense that is implied by the board room scene you referenced?

I'm not saying that. I'm saying their survey should constitute more than that.

Xenomorphs show up on spectrographic analysis, don't they?

MacIver wrote:Xenomorphs show up on spectrographic analysis, don't they?

Only if you account for red shift.

MacIver wrote:A couple of decades would of. Sure, if you went REALLY fast you could get there in a few minutes, but thousands if not millions of years would pass back on Earth.

Oh and gravity. Fucking gravity.

Okay, zero-g is difficult and expensive to do, that's fine. So build your fictional ships with centrifuges. Some morons will claim you're ripping off 2001 but there's no other way of getting gravity in space without technology far exceeding that which you're shown to have in the movie.

Even recent "hard sci-fi" films like Moon and Sunshine ballsed up on this.

Just remembered another cool aspect of this that would be good in a story.

As the ship travels away from Earth and reaches 99.99+% of the speed of light communications from Earth would slow down as they'd take longer and longer to reach the ship as it travels further away at faster speeds. News would slow down, literally, as any communiques would have to be adjusted for severe doppler shift. But on the way home this process would be reversed. The crew of the ship would see hundreds of years of human history squashed into a decade. They could watch the rise and fall of nations like watching a TV series.

MacIver wrote:

MacIver wrote:A couple of decades would of. Sure, if you went REALLY fast you could get there in a few minutes, but thousands if not millions of years would pass back on Earth.

Oh and gravity. Fucking gravity.

Okay, zero-g is difficult and expensive to do, that's fine. So build your fictional ships with centrifuges. Some morons will claim you're ripping off 2001 but there's no other way of getting gravity in space without technology far exceeding that which you're shown to have in the movie.

Even recent "hard sci-fi" films like Moon and Sunshine ballsed up on this.

Just remembered another cool aspect of this that would be good in a story.

As the ship travels away from Earth and reaches 99.99+% of the speed of light communications from Earth would slow down as they'd take longer and longer to reach the ship as it travels further away at faster speeds. News would slow down, literally, as any communiques would have to be adjusted for severe doppler shift. But on the way home this process would be reversed. The crew of the ship would see hundreds of years of human history squashed into a decade. They could watch the rise and fall of nations like watching a TV series.

Cool. Can we see future series of Big Brother squashed into a minute?

Doesn't the acceleration (assuming you accelerate to the halfway point), as well as the negative acceleration (assuming you flip 'er around and put on the brakes to the finish) simulate gravity (assuming you are going somewhere)?

Doesn't the acceleration (assuming you accelerate to the halfway point), as well as the negative acceleration (assuming you flip 'er around and put on the brakes to the finish) simulate gravity (assuming you are going somewhere)?

Animavore wrote:

MacIver wrote:

MacIver wrote:A couple of decades would of. Sure, if you went REALLY fast you could get there in a few minutes, but thousands if not millions of years would pass back on Earth.

Oh and gravity. Fucking gravity.

Okay, zero-g is difficult and expensive to do, that's fine. So build your fictional ships with centrifuges. Some morons will claim you're ripping off 2001 but there's no other way of getting gravity in space without technology far exceeding that which you're shown to have in the movie.

Even recent "hard sci-fi" films like Moon and Sunshine ballsed up on this.

Just remembered another cool aspect of this that would be good in a story.

As the ship travels away from Earth and reaches 99.99+% of the speed of light communications from Earth would slow down as they'd take longer and longer to reach the ship as it travels further away at faster speeds. News would slow down, literally, as any communiques would have to be adjusted for severe doppler shift. But on the way home this process would be reversed. The crew of the ship would see hundreds of years of human history squashed into a decade. They could watch the rise and fall of nations like watching a TV series.

Cool. Can we see future series of Big Brother squashed into a minute?

Ah, but would you want to? The future dystopian reality shows will be much better. Death and violence.

pelfdaddy wrote:Doesn't the acceleration (assuming you accelerate to the halfway point), as well as the negative acceleration (assuming you flip 'er around and put on the brakes to the finish) simulate gravity (assuming you are going somewhere)?

Absolutely. One gee of acceleration and you wouldn't even be aware you were on a starship if you didn't have a window in your room. But in the films I was bitching about the ships aren't under such acceleration.

"There's a secretion."
"Secreted from what?"
Nobody touch nothing"

Doesn't that mean we should touch something?



(guess what I'm watching right now? )

MacIver wrote:

Ah, but would you want to? The future dystopian reality shows will be much better. Death and violence.

Yes. I've seen Death Race,



Unfortunately

MacIver wrote:What annoys me is that no sci-fi movie has ever used time dilation properly. It's such a cool idea. For example, a ship going on a round trip to Spica, in the constellation Virgo 260 light years away can get there and home again under high acceleration in a few decades. But hundreds of years would pass on Earth. So you get a cool story of exploring an alien star system and an older and wiser crew essentially travelling into the future as well.

Have you read 'forever war'?