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#1  Postby PensivePenny » Apr 24, 2017 8:25 pm

At what point does your suspension of disbelief wrt the Star Trek franchise, end? I've watched some of the franchises from the beginning again. I really enjoy them, but there are some things that really annoy me. Here are a couple of my pet peeves.

1) The speed at which stars pass by the hull at warp speed is way too fast. According to ST Voyager, it will take them 70 years at maximum warp to get back home from the far side of the galaxy. The distance from home is not specified exactly. But, we can say anywhere between 70 to 80 light years... That means they can travel at about 1000 times the speed of light. Which is confirmed by their "tech manuals" as being the fastest theoretical speed. So, if one looks at the average distance the distance between star systems should be about 5 ly. On average, at max warp, a star should pass by the hull once every two days.

2) Another one I have is that ships all bank (or roll) in a turn. Why? We already have to accept that "inertial dampers" are a thing. So, a coordinated turn isn't required for crew comfort. Thrusters can move the ship in any orientation regardless of the direction. If we accept that the warp engines propel the ship in the direction it points, all that is needed for a course change is a change in orientation. The banking is superfluous.

There are tons of things that are fake about ST. Which ones annoy you the most?
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#2  Postby laklak » Apr 24, 2017 8:33 pm

Seat belts, or more accurately, the lack thereof.
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#3  Postby tuco » Apr 24, 2017 8:43 pm

Its to give crew feeling of moving as no light could reach them at warp.

Honestly? Probably lack of sexual tension. Mentioning Risa is like saying pornhub. I've heard Roddenberry was against inter-personal conflicts and iirc Deep Space Nine introduced them.
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#4  Postby SafeAsMilk » Apr 24, 2017 8:54 pm

I recognize it as a show primarily about philosophy, so all that technical stuff doesn't really bother me so much.
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#5  Postby Thommo » Apr 24, 2017 9:25 pm

Explosive control panels.

The borg queen.
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#6  Postby PensivePenny » Apr 24, 2017 10:05 pm

Thommo, I get the control panel. What annoyed you about the borg queen.
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#7  Postby PensivePenny » Apr 24, 2017 10:07 pm

Female officers are referred to as "sir." Later, mid-season Voyager (I think) they finally learn that there is nothing demeaning about the title "ma'am."
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#8  Postby Thommo » Apr 24, 2017 10:10 pm

PensivePenny wrote:Thommo, I get the control panel. What annoyed you about the borg queen.


The Borg having a queen destroyed the central premise of the Borg. They were the ultimate decentralisation, the ultimate destruction of the ego. The mere idea of personal identity was fundamentally disruptive to their society.

Then that idea got tossed out the window for them to become shitty space ants. Space ants have been done better. Impersonal, incomprehensible, totalitarian cyborgs hadn't.
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#9  Postby Thomas Eshuis » Apr 24, 2017 10:13 pm

Thommo wrote:Explosive control panels.

Basically the Star Trek version of explosive cars... :lol:
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#10  Postby Thomas Eshuis » Apr 24, 2017 10:14 pm

Thommo wrote:
PensivePenny wrote:Thommo, I get the control panel. What annoyed you about the borg queen.


The Borg having a queen destroyed the central premise of the Borg. They were the ultimate decentralisation, the ultimate destruction of the ego. The mere idea of personal identity was fundamentally disruptive to their society.

Then that idea got tossed out the window for them to become shitty space ants. Space ants have been done better. Impersonal, incomprehensible, totalitarian cyborgs hadn't.

I am of two minds on this, on the one hand I agree that the redcon of the original concept of the borg was disappointing, on the other hand I really liked the performances delivered by the Borg queen.
"Respect for personal beliefs = "I am going to tell you all what I think of YOU, but don't dare retort and tell what you think of ME because...it's my personal belief". Hmm. A bully's charter and no mistake."
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#11  Postby Greyman » Apr 24, 2017 10:31 pm

PensivePenny wrote:1) The speed at which stars pass by the hull at warp speed is way too fast. According to ST Voyager, it will take them 70 years at maximum warp to get back home from the far side of the galaxy. The distance from home is not specified exactly. But, we can say anywhere between 70 to 80 light years...
Your scale is off by a factor of a thousand. Sol is located 26,000 light years from Galactic Centre. The Milky Way is about 100,000 light years in diameter.
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#12  Postby Scot Dutchy » Apr 24, 2017 10:32 pm

tuco wrote:Its to give crew feeling of moving as no light could reach them at warp.

Honestly? Probably lack of sexual tension. Mentioning Risa is like saying pornhub. I've heard Roddenberry was against inter-personal conflicts and iirc Deep Space Nine introduced them.


Yep sex was a problem. Must have been all taking drugs. I liked it for what it was. It was fascinating to see how it advanced from cardboard scenery to reasonable sets. The light thing always got me. Travelling so fast they would have been in total darkness. Mind I have had always problems with Einstein.
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#13  Postby SafeAsMilk » Apr 24, 2017 10:44 pm

PensivePenny wrote:Female officers are referred to as "sir." Later, mid-season Voyager (I think) they finally learn that there is nothing demeaning about the title "ma'am."

Better spread the word, I've gotten shit 9 out of 10 times I've used it.
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#14  Postby PensivePenny » Apr 24, 2017 10:50 pm

Greyman wrote:
PensivePenny wrote:1) The speed at which stars pass by the hull at warp speed is way too fast. According to ST Voyager, it will take them 70 years at maximum warp to get back home from the far side of the galaxy. The distance from home is not specified exactly. But, we can say anywhere between 70 to 80 light years...
Your scale is off by a factor of a thousand. Sol is located 26,000 light years from Galactic Centre. The Milky Way is about 100,000 light years in diameter.


Is it? Forget Sol for a second. 100 THOUSAND ly across the galaxy. If max warp is one THOUSAND times c, then that means in one year they could go 1 THOUSAND ly. How many years would that take to go 100 THOUSAND ly? Answer: 100. You didn't quote the entire paragraph ;)

ETA: 1000 ly/365 days = about 1.8 days per star systems.
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#15  Postby PensivePenny » Apr 24, 2017 10:56 pm

Scot Dutchy wrote:
tuco wrote:Its to give crew feeling of moving as no light could reach them at warp.

Honestly? Probably lack of sexual tension. Mentioning Risa is like saying pornhub. I've heard Roddenberry was against inter-personal conflicts and iirc Deep Space Nine introduced them.


Yep sex was a problem. Must have been all taking drugs. I liked it for what it was. It was fascinating to see how it advanced from cardboard scenery to reasonable sets. The light thing always got me. Travelling so fast they would have been in total darkness. Mind I have had always problems with Einstein.


Would they be in darkness? I always imagined that the stars ahead (10 forward) would be visible, but as the stars trailed them, they would go black or maybe be a streak?
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#16  Postby Animavore » Apr 25, 2017 12:00 am

I just get annoyed at alien sex. Having sex with an alien would presumably be like having sex with a cow only way worse. Maybe like trying it on with a red king crab. They should be deeply incompatible.

To make it worse they tried to retro explain it all away by saying humanoids were seeded across the galaxy, as if they made some poly-sexual sperm which was compatible with a multitude of species across an intergalactic range.

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#17  Postby Weaver » Apr 25, 2017 4:47 am

PensivePenny wrote:
Scot Dutchy wrote:
tuco wrote:Its to give crew feeling of moving as no light could reach them at warp.

Honestly? Probably lack of sexual tension. Mentioning Risa is like saying pornhub. I've heard Roddenberry was against inter-personal conflicts and iirc Deep Space Nine introduced them.


Yep sex was a problem. Must have been all taking drugs. I liked it for what it was. It was fascinating to see how it advanced from cardboard scenery to reasonable sets. The light thing always got me. Travelling so fast they would have been in total darkness. Mind I have had always problems with Einstein.


Would they be in darkness? I always imagined that the stars ahead (10 forward) would be visible, but as the stars trailed them, they would go black or maybe be a streak?

Stars ahead would tend to shrink to a bright circle (massively blue shifted) centered in front, with an increasingly large blank space on the edges, leaving a bright (albeit massively red-shifted) circle in the rear.

The faster the travel, the more the distortion.

Of course, that's for visible light - but it's been pretty clear that the view screen on the bridge had computer compensation - which raises the additional question of why the streaking?
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#18  Postby Weaver » Apr 25, 2017 4:58 am

My biggest pet peeve?

The scene in ST:TNG where Geordi and Dr. Crusher are in a cargo bay with a fire burning, and decide they need to vent the atmosphere to put the fire out. Crusher tells LaForge something like "You'll feel an almost overwhelming urge to exhale - you must fight this."

Yeah, great fucking advice. Let's watch my lungs blow out my fucking nostrils.

If you decompress suddenly, you need to fucking yell at max exhalation factor - vent your entire lung capacity through the biggest pipe you have, knowing that your body is pushing more gas into your lungs as you do it. Try to keep it inside and you'll learn the hard way what Boyle's Law means.

Yes, you're going to pass out within about 15 seconds. That's why we don't do this casually.

I get it. It's Star Trek. Dilithium and phasers are pretty much magic, to say nothing about warp travel and transporters. But something as simple as explosive decompression? We have people who have fucking DONE THAT.



But to give such shitty "advice", totally against the goddamn scientific knowledge we have NOW through the personal experiences of some very brave people who went through this and lived - that just pisses me off.
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#19  Postby The_Metatron » Apr 25, 2017 5:01 am

laklak wrote:Seat belts, or more accurately, the lack thereof.

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#20  Postby Weaver » Apr 25, 2017 5:06 am

Shields that you cannot beam through, but which protect you from space debris - and through which you can beam if it's important to the plot.

Quit changing the rules. I don't care if it's fantasy, just stick with the fucking rules you make up.
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