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Sendraks wrote:
I don't recall anything communist or socialist about Star Trek in the many decades I've been watching it. Its utopian vision of the future is one where the "American Dream" has spread and been accepted by all, so this utterly false utopia where everyone works hard and attains their dreams somehow exists.
ScholasticSpastic wrote:Sendraks wrote:
I don't recall anything communist or socialist about Star Trek in the many decades I've been watching it. Its utopian vision of the future is one where the "American Dream" has spread and been accepted by all, so this utterly false utopia where everyone works hard and attains their dreams somehow exists.
I can't quote specifics, because I'm not a big enough Trekkie nerd, but I recall a few episodes of TNG, and some of the feature films, where they talked about not using money any more. I know there's money in DS9, though, so being a post-money society isn't ubiquitous for the franchise.
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Thomas Eshuis wrote:
Not having money is not specifically communist though.
And the 'money' in DS9 was Latinum, which is basically space gold and only has value outside Earth, as it's valued as a currency by other races.
And yes, I am a little bit of a ST nerd.
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edit: We are not going to address the arguments in the linked articles, we are going to make unsupported claims at best based on anecdotal evidence or just plain, in the language of the RS icon, fuckwittery and arse gravy on par with assertions and claims of woo merchants and religious creations.
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ScholasticSpastic wrote:Thomas Eshuis wrote:
Not having money is not specifically communist though.
Agreed. But it's difficult to work ownership without money, so either everybody owns everything collectively, or nobody owns anything collectively. If all the property is considered publicly owned, that's probably something Marx would appreciate.
ScholasticSpastic wrote:And the 'money' in DS9 was Latinum, which is basically space gold and only has value outside Earth, as it's valued as a currency by other races.
Yeah, I have a difficult time wrapping my head around how Earth, with no money, would trade with societies with money.
ScholasticSpastic wrote: At some point there would need to be a money-analogous component to the Earth economy, and at that point it's no longer entirely honest to say that there isn't any money.
ScholasticSpastic wrote: Also, how do the Federation people get the Latinum?
ScholasticSpastic wrote:And yes, I am a little bit of a ST nerd.
I'm a little bit of one, too. Just not enough of one to make assertions with any pretense of authority. And it appears not enough of one to make tuco happy.
Full article at:SEE THE MEN WHO HELPED BUILD THE ORIGINAL USS ENTERPRISE
A PHOTO FROM 1964 SHOWS THE ORIGINAL MODEL OF THE STAR TREK SPACESHIP.
POSTED: JANUARY 11, 2016
A photo has recently gone viral showing three of the men responsible for building the original USS Enterprise.
Richard C. Datin, Jr., Mel Keys, Vernon Sion and Volmer Jensen (not pictured) constructed the 11 foot model for Star Trek's original television series in 1964. The photo, taken in December of that year, shows the men proudly posing with it.
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Mike_L wrote:
I never felt that the CG "spruce up" improved on the '60s model work and matte paintings. The handcrafted Enterprise (wood, plastic and fiberglass) has a certain charm lacking in the CG version, which looks too gray and too "cartoony", IMO.
Similarly, many of the new CG matte paintings are, in my opinion, inferior in composition to the originals done with oil paint on glass.
A communist state is different; its upper classes are populated largely by politicians, high-ranking military officers, and scientists. It is they who use their status and relative wealth to purchase upper-class lifestyles. Sound familiar? In Star Trek, no one has any prestige or perceived value to society unless he's either a soldier, a researcher, or a politician.
As Virginia Postrel has pointed out, based on a survey of her readers, the actual appeal of Star Trek is that it presents a kind of ideal capitalist workplace.
In Star Trek, the work is meaningful; the colleagues are smart, hard-working, competent and respectful; the leaders are capable and fair; and everyone has an important contribution to make…. Deep friendships develop from teamwork and high-stakes problem-solving. It’s the workplace as we wish it were.
Following up, I noted “the characteristics of this ideal society: a focus on work, competence, intelligence, productivity, and rationality,” which is a projection of “what kind of people we will have to be to reach a super-technological future.” I go on to argue that instead of looking like a socialist economy, it looks more like the ideal community of producers in Atlas Shrugged.
What is Earth like in STAR TREK'S CENTURY?
For one thing, we'll never take a story back there and therefore don't expect to get into subject s which would create great problems, technical and other wise. The "U.S.S." on our ship designation stands for "United Space Ship" -- indicating (without troublesome specifics) that mankind has found some unity on Earth, perhaps at long last even peace. If you require a statement such as one that Earth cities of the future are splendidly planned with fifty-mile parkland strips around them, fine. But television today simply will not let us get into details of Earth's politics of STAR TREK,'S century; for example, which socio-economic system ultimately worked out best.
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