The Matrix is a 'trans metaphor', Lilly Wachowski says

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The Matrix is a 'trans metaphor', Lilly Wachowski says

#1  Postby aufbahrung » Aug 07, 2020 1:29 pm

The Matrix is a 'trans metaphor', Lilly Wachowski says

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The Matrix films are about being transgender, the trilogy's co-director says.

"That was the original intention but the world wasn't quite ready," says Lilly Wachowski, who came out as trans along with her sister Lana after the films came out.

Fans have speculated about potential meanings behind the iconic films and Lilly confirmed the theory to Netflix.

"I'm glad that it has gotten out," she said.

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#2  Postby SafeAsMilk » Aug 07, 2020 4:05 pm

aufbahrung wrote:
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Where?
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#3  Postby Ironclad » Aug 07, 2020 4:08 pm

Where? The premise, dude.
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#4  Postby SafeAsMilk » Aug 07, 2020 5:41 pm

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#5  Postby Fallible » Aug 07, 2020 6:08 pm

Ah, well now you have to click on every letter and punctuation mark to find the link. Or...
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#6  Postby felltoearth » Aug 07, 2020 6:45 pm

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#7  Postby felltoearth » Aug 07, 2020 6:46 pm

Additionally, I love the fact that red pillers are likely losing their shit over this.
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#9  Postby Animavore » Aug 07, 2020 7:45 pm

I love how much this has all gotten under the author of the RT piece's skin. Such an indignant diatribe.
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#10  Postby tuco » Aug 07, 2020 7:59 pm

The Matrix is about realization that the brain does not care. Then there is the never made Return to the Matrix - where living in the matrix is actually cool and eco-friendly and the brain does not care - was never made only because who would be the bad guys?
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#11  Postby Mike_L » Aug 07, 2020 8:07 pm

Animavore wrote:I love how much this has all gotten under the author of the RT piece's skin. Such an indignant diatribe.


It's only slightly indignant...
From the piece:

Saying ‘The Matrix’ is a trans allegory is not wrong. It’s a worthwhile interpretation of the film.


And it ends with a suitably jaundiced (and probably accurate) observation...

Coincidentally, there is also a fourth ‘Matrix’ movie in the works and set to hit theaters – if those are ever a thing again – next year. Sounds like a pretty good reason to try and kick up conversation about why the 1999 film is oh-so-relevant today.
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#12  Postby campermon » Aug 07, 2020 8:10 pm

The true meaning was completely lost on me then :lol:

I like it because of the shiny special effects :smoke:
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#13  Postby Mike_L » Aug 07, 2020 8:23 pm

campermon wrote:The true meaning was completely lost on me then :lol:

I like it because of the shiny special effects :smoke:

Yes, and the much-loathed sequels are still worth a watch, IMO, on account of those special FX. The highway sequence in 'Matrix Reloaded' is especially good.

And the Architect scene in 'Reloaded' at least gave us this parody scene (with the great George Carlin) in 'Scary Movie 3'...

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#14  Postby Hermit » Aug 08, 2020 6:32 am

Fallible wrote:Ah, well now you have to click on every letter and punctuation mark to find the link. Or...

Or you could copypaste "The Matrix is a 'trans metaphor', Lilly Wachowski says" into whatever search engine you use. Who knows, it might just pop up the exact BBC article auf quoted from in the opening post.
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#15  Postby Spinozasgalt » Aug 08, 2020 11:33 am

This is old news. But it's led to every single trans woman I know going, "See!??!!?!"
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#16  Postby SafeAsMilk » Aug 08, 2020 1:06 pm

Hermit wrote:
Fallible wrote:Ah, well now you have to click on every letter and punctuation mark to find the link. Or...

Or you could copypaste "The Matrix is a 'trans metaphor', Lilly Wachowski says" into whatever search engine you use. Who knows, it might just pop up the exact BBC article auf quoted from in the opening post.

Or, when someone quotes text from an article they can do as they're supposed to, and post a clear link.
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#17  Postby Hermit » Aug 08, 2020 1:22 pm

SafeAsMilk wrote:
Hermit wrote:
Fallible wrote:Ah, well now you have to click on every letter and punctuation mark to find the link. Or...

Or you could copypaste "The Matrix is a 'trans metaphor', Lilly Wachowski says" into whatever search engine you use. Who knows, it might just pop up the exact BBC article auf quoted from in the opening post.

Or, when someone quotes text from an article they can do as they're supposed to, and post a clear link.

That is of course the optimal scenario. I just suggested a possible fix for this one, and any similar situations that may occur in the future. Sorry 'bout that.
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#18  Postby Thommo » Aug 08, 2020 1:27 pm

I guess I can see elements in The Matrix that work as a metaphor for being trans. I'm not sure they have all that much to say about it though.

The first film was legitimately great either way.
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#19  Postby SafeAsMilk » Aug 08, 2020 1:46 pm

Hermit wrote:
SafeAsMilk wrote:
Hermit wrote:
Fallible wrote:Ah, well now you have to click on every letter and punctuation mark to find the link. Or...

Or you could copypaste "The Matrix is a 'trans metaphor', Lilly Wachowski says" into whatever search engine you use. Who knows, it might just pop up the exact BBC article auf quoted from in the opening post.

Or, when someone quotes text from an article they can do as they're supposed to, and post a clear link.

That is of course the optimal scenario. I just suggested a possible fix for this one, and any similar situations that may occur in the future. Sorry 'bout that.

You can rest assured that option was considered by me, and likely anyone else who was interested 8-)
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#20  Postby Hermit » Aug 08, 2020 2:40 pm

Thommo wrote:I guess I can see elements in The Matrix that work as a metaphor for being trans. I'm not sure they have all that much to say about it though.

The first film was legitimately great either way.

Having missed the trans metaphor altogether when I watched The Matrix, I regarded the movie as a vulgarised adaptation of Aldous Huxley's Brave new World. The action scenes left me cold. So cold I fell asleep well before the movie's end, and I did not bother catching up with the unwatched part.

Huxley probably plagiarised Yevgeny Zamyatin's novel We, which was published eleven years earlier, but it remains worth reading in its own right. What it lacks in action scenes (thank goodness), it makes up with philosophical substance.
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