Challenge:cite ONE paper that discerns Science from Pseudos.

How to tell Science from Pseudoscience with CERTAINTY?

Anything that doesn't fit anywhere else.

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Re: Challenge:cite ONE paper that discerns Science from Pseudos.

#21  Postby Hermit » Apr 15, 2020 1:10 am

laklak wrote:A few indicators that it's pseudoscience.

- It's by a "noted scientist". Sometimes even a "noted NASA scientist"
- other scientists are "shocked"
- the mainstream media doesn't want you to know
- there's "one simple trick"

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Re: Challenge:cite ONE paper that discerns Science from Pseudos.

#22  Postby theropod_V_2.0 » Apr 15, 2020 2:19 am

Just how would one go about falsifying a proposition without empirical evidence? Reading chicken bones? Bare assertion? Wishing real hard?

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Re: Challenge:cite ONE paper that discerns Science from Pseudos.

#23  Postby Hermit » Apr 15, 2020 2:31 am

theropod_V_2.0 wrote:Just how would one go about falsifying a proposition without empirical evidence? Reading chicken bones? Bare assertion? Wishing real hard?

Popper did not argue that science can do without empirical evidence. He argued that empiricism is not its distinguishing feature. All sorts of pseudosciences proffer empirical evidence. Anti-vaccine campaign sites are full of it, for example.
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Re: Challenge:cite ONE paper that discerns Science from Pseudos.

#24  Postby Cito di Pense » Apr 15, 2020 3:23 am



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Hermit wrote:Anti-vaccine campaign sites are full of it, for example.


Full of what? They're full of claims.
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#25  Postby newolder » Apr 15, 2020 6:45 am

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Re: Challenge:cite ONE paper that discerns Science from Pseudos.

#26  Postby campermon » Apr 15, 2020 7:43 am

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Cheers! :cheers:
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Re: Challenge:cite ONE paper that discerns Science from Pseudos.

#27  Postby Cito di Pense » Apr 15, 2020 7:50 am

campermon wrote::lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Cheers! :cheers:


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Re: Challenge:cite ONE paper that discerns Science from Pseudos.

#28  Postby campermon » Apr 15, 2020 8:01 am

Cito di Pense wrote:
campermon wrote::lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Cheers! :cheers:


So, you were born more or less as Apollo 13's service module was going kerplooey. It's an omen!


Yes! :cheers:
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Re: Challenge:cite ONE paper that discerns Science from Pseudos.

#29  Postby theropod_V_2.0 » Apr 15, 2020 9:00 am

Hermit wrote:
theropod_V_2.0 wrote:Just how would one go about falsifying a proposition without empirical evidence? Reading chicken bones? Bare assertion? Wishing real hard?

Popper did not argue that science can do without empirical evidence. He argued that empiricism is not its distinguishing feature. All sorts of pseudosciences proffer empirical evidence. Anti-vaccine campaign sites are full of it, for example.


Bullshit.

Anti-vax sites are full of bullshit CLAIMS of empirical evidence. Assertion of empirical evidence isn’t the same as actual in hand empirical evidence. I note you did not answer the question. By what means may a proposition be falsified if not via empirical evidence?

Try again.

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Re: Challenge:cite ONE paper that discerns Science from Pseudos.

#30  Postby Spearthrower » Apr 15, 2020 9:06 am




Ah yes, good find. Although it is, of course, quite plausible that the OP is also the author of that piece.



ETA: damn aphasia... I managed to write 'author' as 'other' :smoke:
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Re: Challenge:cite ONE paper that discerns Science from Pseudos.

#31  Postby Hermit » Apr 15, 2020 11:43 am

Spearthrower wrote:

Ah yes, good find. Although it is, of course, quite plausible that the OP is also the author of that piece.

My guess is that both pieces are penned by the same author.

I should have mentioned that I linked to it primarily because he bemoaned the fact that the Wikipedia editors (Spanish site) deleted his article titled Demarcation problem. That was in 2007. Considering the length of time he has held his curious opinion I think it is a bit of an obsession from which there is little chance of even a miniscule change of mind.
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#32  Postby The_Metatron » Apr 15, 2020 2:26 pm

Spearthrower wrote:
My philosophical and intellectual position is that there is NO WAY to tell science from pseudoscience with certainty.


Reality has this way of informing you when your ideas about it are completely off base. That's a rather vital element of science compared to pseudoscience: it works.

There's the meat.

Science produces repeatable results. Anything less than that, and it isn't very sciency.
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Re: Challenge:cite ONE paper that discerns Science from Pseudos.

#33  Postby Alan B » Apr 15, 2020 4:25 pm

The OP sounds like: One cannot tell the difference between science and pseudosciance (meaning science is also rubbish), therefore God.
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Re: Challenge:cite ONE paper that discerns Science from Pseudos.

#34  Postby Hermit » Apr 15, 2020 4:56 pm

Alan B wrote:The OP sounds like: One cannot tell the difference between science and pseudosciance (meaning science is also rubbish), therefore God.

I thought that was a possibility until I read his contribution to the Wikipedia.
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