Creationist sues Grand Canyon for religious discrimination.

Anything that doesn't fit anywhere else.

Moderators: Blip, The_Metatron

Creationist sues Grand Canyon for religious discrimination.

#1  Postby Animavore » May 19, 2017 7:53 am

“How did the Grand Canyon form?” is a question so commonly pondered that YouTube is rife with explanations. Go down into the long tail of Grand Canyon videos, and you’ll eventually find a two-part, 35-minute lecture by Andrew Snelling. The first sign this isn’t a typical geology lecture comes about a minute in, when Snelling proclaims, “The Grand Canyon does provide a testament to the biblical account of Earth’s history.”

Snelling is a prominent young-Earth creationist. For years, he has given lectures, guided biblical-themed Grand Canyon rafting tours, and worked for the nonprofit Answers in Genesis. (The CEO of Answers in Genesis, Ken Ham, is also behind the Creation Museum and the Ark Encounter theme park.) Young-Earth creationism, in contrast to other forms of creationism, specifically holds that the Earth is only thousands of years old. Snelling believes that the Grand Canyon formed after Noah’s flood—and he now claims the U.S. government is blocking his research in the canyon because of his religious views.

Last week, Snelling sued park administrators and the Department of Interior, which administers the national parks program, because they would not grant him a permit to collect 50 to 60 fist-sized rocks. All research in the national park is restricted, especially if it requires removing material. But the Grand Canyon does host 80 research projects a year, ranging from archaeology digs to trout tracking.

Alliance Defending Freedom, a Christian legal advocacy group that filed the lawsuit on behalf of Snelling, alleged discrimination by the park. “National Park Service: Research in Grand Canyon okay for geologists … but not Christian ones,” read the headline on their press release. (Interior department and NPS spokespeople declined to comment because of the pending litigation.)


Geology as a profession has struggled with what to do with young-Earth creationists, whose beliefs are contradicted by literal mountains of scientific evidence. Shut them down, and you get cries of censorship—like this lawsuit. “This just so plays into their hands,” Newton says about the national park’s treatment of Snelling’s application. Newton favors letting creationists do their research and then arguing on the merits of their science. But allowing them to present at scientific conferences, others say, is lending creationists legitimacy.

https://www.theatlantic.com/science/arc ... sm/526467/

Ok so we have some who think creationists should be allowed to collect samples and then debunk their claims. And others who think allowing them lends credence to their claims.

There is a third way. Allow this guy to sue. He didn't state in his application that he was collecting these rocks for any religious reason, first of all. And secondly he says that Christian geologists are being discriminated against. The first shows that he was being disingenuous about his intentions. And for the second the defence just has to call some Christian geologists, like in Dover Vs Kitzmiller.
A most evolved electron.
User avatar
Animavore
THREAD STARTER
 
Name: The Scribbler
Posts: 39003
Age: 39
Male

Ireland (ie)
Print view this post

Ads by Google


Re: Creationist sues Grand Canyon for religious discrimination.

#2  Postby lpetrich » May 19, 2017 5:18 pm

Will the Real Dr Snelling Please Stand Up? by Dr Alex Ritchie, The Skeptic, Vol. 11, No. 4, pp 12-15

On how there seem to be two Andrew Snellings that share the same mailing address. Andrew Snelling #1 believes that the Universe is only around 6000 years old, and that Noah's Flood, only around 4000 years ago, radically reshaped the Earth's crust. Andrew Snelling #2 believes that there are rock formations over 2.5 billion years old and that the Earth's crust has been continually reshaped over all that time. Neither of the two Andrew Snellings cite each other's work.
lpetrich
 
Posts: 677
Age: 57
Male

United States (us)
Print view this post

Re: Creationist sues Grand Canyon for religious discrimination.

#3  Postby theropod » May 19, 2017 7:05 pm

Incised meanders. Case closed.

RS
17 years off-grid and counting.

Sleeping in the hen house doesn't make you a chicken.
User avatar
theropod
RS Donator
 
Name: Roger
Posts: 6970
Age: 63
Male

Country: USA
United States (us)
Print view this post

Re: Creationist sues Grand Canyon for religious discrimination.

#4  Postby jamest » May 19, 2017 8:23 pm

How long does it take a river to do that sort of 'shit' to a landscape like that? Just curious.
They came, they saw, they concurred.
User avatar
jamest
 
Posts: 16242
Male

Country: England
Jolly Roger (arr)
Print view this post

Re: Creationist sues Grand Canyon for religious discrimination.

#5  Postby theropod » May 20, 2017 7:16 am

More than the time Homo sapeins have been extant, and far far more time than the YEC claims of a global flud.

RS

ETA:
In case anyone is wondering what this old man is doing awake at 2:20 am the sheriff and volunteer fire department had to come out and rescue some idiot meth heads that had driven past our house around 10 pm. Meth monkeys that drove past NUMEROUS no trespassing signs and through a gate. The fools stopped at our house and my wife and I thought they were engaging 4 wheel drive, as new owners of property beyond us might do before proceeding. We were told the vehicle is unrecoverable because there is only a crude path (not even really a road) and is sunk up to the frame. Considering the near record rainfall we have had in the past two weeks this is no surprise. Apparently our only other neighbor left the gate unlocked and these idiots were "backroading". Now here I sit pissed off as hell at both the meth monsters and the neighbor that left the gate unlocked. Someone is going to get an earful come tomorrow!
17 years off-grid and counting.

Sleeping in the hen house doesn't make you a chicken.
User avatar
theropod
RS Donator
 
Name: Roger
Posts: 6970
Age: 63
Male

Country: USA
United States (us)
Print view this post


Return to General Discussion

Who is online

Users viewing this topic: No registered users and 1 guest