Evil, it's real.

Seabass · **#61** by **Seabass** » Jul 02, 2022 8:34 pm

Scene: Nazi Germany, 1935. Nazis enact the Nuremburg Laws, outlawing marriage between Jews and Aryans, and restricting citizenship to only those with German blood.

Jewish person: "Holy shit, these Nazis are fucking evil."
Spearthrower: "I am here to challenge your vapid bigotry."

Jesus H. Christ. :roll:

Spearthrower · **#62** by **Spearthrower** » Jul 02, 2022 8:43 pm

Seabass wrote:Scene: Nazi Germany, 1935. Nazis enact the Nuremburg Laws, outlawing marriage between Jews and Aryans, and restricting citizenship to only those with German blood.

Jewish person: "Holy shit, these Nazis are fucking evil."
Spearthrower: "I am here to challenge your vapid bigotry."

Jesus H. Christ.

Seabass - don't be a twat, eh?

Spearthrower wrote:
Questions:

Seabass wrote:Do you feel that Jewish people living in Nazi Germany would have been justified in feeling hostility toward Nazis?

Absolutely.

Seabass wrote:Do you feel that Jewish people living in Nazi Germany would have been justified in calling Nazis "fucking evil"?

Absolutely.

I mean, if you really insist on it, then fine... but you and I both know I can be a much bigger twat than you.

Spearthrower · **#63** by **Spearthrower** » Jul 02, 2022 8:51 pm

Am I defending evil, Seabass?

If 35 million Republicans are evil by association, then surely I must be even more evil according to what some might indulge in a little amusement and call your 'logic'.

See? Twatishness. I can do it too.

If you insist on ignoring what I actually say, write the opposite of what I say as if you're trying to grunt the appropriate noises at your in-group, then I will help you make a fool of yourself.

But everyone reading through this can see that is not at all what I intended.

http://www.rationalskepticism.org/gener ... l#p2789016

Spearthrower wrote:
Seabass wrote:Republicans are fucking evil. And yes, I mean that in the supernatural sense. I mean, what other than demonic possession can explain these motherfuckers?

Don't get me wrong - I totally hear where you're coming from given the timing and the events - but...

A good example of this is looking at the American evangelical right's repeated accusations that 'abortion is evil' - they're not pretending to believe this, they're not doing this to milk lib tears (which has become a rather frequent motivation of the loony new far right), they genuinely consider it an unspeakable act of desecration they cannot bear to permit, the same way most people perhaps might feel about child abuse.

A significant portion of your fellow citizens also genuinely believe you are evil, or at the very least, unwittingly doing evil.

This is a cycle to break, not to join my friend!

But again, if this is what you want to do, then maybe go and have a read through truelgbt's posts - a man dedicated to seeking out the terribly evil people to tell them how evil they are - and pick up some tips on how to think like a bigot?

al pesto · **#64** by **al pesto** » Aug 04, 2022 11:22 pm

"Evil, it's real."

Evil is not only real, it has a name & address too! It's name is "the United States of America" and its address is located in the North American continent, right between Mexico and Canada. Therein you will find the source of almost every single woe that currently ails humanity; ranging from war crimes, to illegal foreign invasions, to the toppling of otherwise legitimately-elected foreign governments, to the massive theft of other's natural resources, to international financial fraud, to the insanity of denying the realities of science, to the legalization of clandestine torture centers. It is also the place from whence institutionalized immorality, degeneracy, and Wokeness, along with other similar collective mental-illnesses, spring-forth upon the rest of the world like a metastasized cancer. Fortunately there is a cure for this evil ..and the name of the medication is
Россия.
Ready for the Booster Shots?

Spearthrower · **#65** by **Spearthrower** » Aug 05, 2022 2:09 am

al pesto wrote: Fortunately there is a cure for this evil ..and the name of the medication is
Россия.

al pesto wrote:Ready for the Booster Shots?

Had a booster a year ago... did you miss adding a spooky emoticon?

The_Metatron · **#66** by **The_Metatron** » Aug 05, 2022 3:06 am

Ha. I’ve had two boosters.

Evil, I tells ya. Pure evil.

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mindhack · **#67** by **mindhack** » Aug 05, 2022 2:02 pm

al pesto wrote:"Evil, it's real."

Evil is not only real, it has a name & address too! It's name is "the United States of America" and its address is located in the North American continent, right between Mexico and Canada. Therein you will find the source of almost every single woe that currently ails humanity; ranging from war crimes, to illegal foreign invasions, to the toppling of otherwise legitimately-elected foreign governments, to the massive theft of other's natural resources, to international financial fraud, to the insanity of denying the realities of science, to the legalization of clandestine torture centers. It is also the place from whence institutionalized immorality, degeneracy, and Wokeness, along with other similar collective mental-illnesses, spring-forth upon the rest of the world like a metastasized cancer. Fortunately there is a cure for this evil ..and the name of the medication is
Россия.
Ready for the Booster Shots?

Simplistic one-dimensional bollocks. Yawn.

Cito di Pense · **#68** by **Cito di Pense** » Aug 05, 2022 3:32 pm

al pesto wrote:Ready for the Booster Shots?

Sounds like this one is employing the sock-cratic method.

Spearthrower · **#69** by **Spearthrower** » Aug 05, 2022 4:21 pm

I've got family members all over the world who've had booster shots (2 in some cases), and sadly none of them yet have sprouted additional limbs or acquired super powers. On the plus side, they're all fit and healthy, with those who subsequently caught covid having recovered in a couple of days with very little inconvenience.

Also on the plus side: vaccination is a fucking super power, granted to us solely by means of ruthlessly skeptical inquiry into the workings of the universe, which is why it fucking works and it would be insanity to deny (the realities of science) what's repeatedly apparent and routinely observable in preference for the contents of one's ideological navel.

Insanity, but a world-wide phenomena constituent to all cultures across all history (no American exceptionalism required) with the weight of these traditional forms of belief and thought lending them undue contemporary significance in what is unarguably a scientific and technological world. Science and reason 'beat' these borked ideas, but it's not like they're playing the same game conforming to the same rules, and we human thingummies have a huge capacity for cognitive dissonance, so it's not even like these forms of knowing or believing-to-know are mutually destructive. Good people do bad things for good reasons, bad people do good things for bad reasons... or you know, because humans either as individuals or as groups tend to be a persistently unresolved mess, shit just happens and ain't got nothing to do with any metaphysics the victim may care to subscribe to.

But we can be compassionate anyway: people are simply being left behind because it's all happening too fast. It was easy to laugh at grandparents' lack of mastery of VCR's but that was emblematic of the generational divide in technological competence. But the 'shift' they experienced is a tiny fraction of that being experienced today. I think people are now having information fed to them at a far higher rate than in any prior period, and they have even less knowledge, competence or ability to do anything about it. I don't think that makes them evil, or even stupid - just a kind of cultural eddy churning round on itself occasionally finding somewhere bigger to spill over into.

That American Exceptionalism guff (here posed as an exceptional negative) is frustratingly stupid though, and ironically typical of proponents of American Exceptionalism - know nothing about the intricacies of rest of the world and the thousands of years of human history, yet centre every modern thought, trend, sensibility and even every modicum of meaning onto the north American continent, not even of all of the region of course, but just that bit betwixt 2 other large and vibrant nations. None of the supposed crimes of the USA are unique to the USA either in breadth or scope, and the absurd proposition that the US is the font of 'institutionalized immorality, degeneracy, and Wokeness, along with other similar collective mental-illnesses', aside from being far too foam-flecked a description for me, indicates a complete paucity of experience presumably requisite in the crafting of such sweeping certainties?

And that's before we even get to the idea that the USA needs a revanchist Soviet autocratic rival with nukes to provoke it to resolving its purported dilemmas? :think:

Putin saves the day by being a new Hitler? :eh:

I would never have guessed that the internet would become the human apes equivalent of trees to ferociously shake specifically in order to be noticed shaking trees rather than there being much of any substance to the motivation of said tree-shaking.

The_Metatron · **#70** by **The_Metatron** » Aug 05, 2022 10:45 pm

Cito di Pense wrote:
al pesto wrote:Ready for the Booster Shots?

Sounds like this one is employing the sock-cratic method.

You thought so, too?

Spearthrower · **#71** by **Spearthrower** » Aug 05, 2022 10:48 pm

It's all become a bit too obvious in the meantime.

The_Metatron · **#72** by **The_Metatron** » Aug 06, 2022 2:02 am

Spearthrower wrote:It's all become a bit too obvious in the meantime.

It’s almost (pause for effect) evil.

Spearthrower · **#73** by **Spearthrower** » Aug 06, 2022 9:43 am

Arjan Dirkse · **#74** by **Arjan Dirkse** » Dec 19, 2022 8:42 pm

Cats are evil. And I love them. what does that say about me?

Seabass · **#75** by **Seabass** » Dec 25, 2022 6:38 pm

More migrants bussed to Kamala Harris’s home on Christmas Eve

Three busloads of migrants were dropped off outside the Washington DC home of US vice-president Kamala Harris late on Christmas Eve, the latest episode in an escalating battle between the Joe Biden White House and the governors of southern Republican states over federal immigration policy.

The Central and South American migrants, believed to be sent from Texas, were dropped off in below-freezing temperatures, with some wearing only sweatshirts and shorts.

More migrants dropped off outside vice president’s home in freezing weather on Christmas Eve

The_Piper · **#76** by **The_Piper** » Dec 25, 2022 9:18 pm

I just posted the same story in the Amerikkka thread. Wanton disregard for people in need. I know there are much worse in the world but If evil exists, this is also it. It boils my blood to see this in 2022 USA. If it's illegal someone should be charged or otherwise sued.

Arjan Dirkse · **#77** by **Arjan Dirkse** » Jan 19, 2023 5:36 pm

Other than saying "republicans" I think the question what constitutes evil is a deeply philosophical one. I think evil is unavoidable, we're naughty monkeys. I have done some things which are evil, like shoplifting a packet of chewing gum, some small acts of vandalism. I think I stole that chewing gum solely for the thrill of doing something I shouldn't. Evil with a capital E I think must always involve the knowing breaking of certain social or psychological taboos.

jamest · **#78** by **jamest** » Jan 27, 2023 11:40 pm

Arjan Dirkse wrote:Other than saying "republicans" I think the question what constitutes evil is a deeply philosophical one. I think evil is unavoidable, we're naughty monkeys. I have done some things which are evil, like shoplifting a packet of chewing gum, some small acts of vandalism. I think I stole that chewing gum solely for the thrill of doing something I shouldn't. Evil with a capital E I think must always involve the knowing breaking of certain social or psychological taboos.

At times there have been certain [ethnic/racial/class} social taboos which most people would now categorise as wrong/evil, but at the time they were the norm and considered right and good. So, I don't think that the knowing breaking of social taboos is necessarily evil.

BWE · **#79** by **BWE** » Jan 28, 2023 10:20 am

This is a weird thread. How about, name an evil thing and decide if it's evil. Forget the labels. Just the thing. For example, dehumanizing indiduals, evil?

Arjan Dirkse · **#80** by **Arjan Dirkse** » Jan 28, 2023 11:37 am

jamest wrote:
Arjan Dirkse wrote:Other than saying "republicans" I think the question what constitutes evil is a deeply philosophical one. I think evil is unavoidable, we're naughty monkeys. I have done some things which are evil, like shoplifting a packet of chewing gum, some small acts of vandalism. I think I stole that chewing gum solely for the thrill of doing something I shouldn't. Evil with a capital E I think must always involve the knowing breaking of certain social or psychological taboos.

At times there have been certain [ethnic/racial/class} social taboos which most people would now categorise as wrong/evil, but at the time they were the norm and considered right and good. So, I don't think that the knowing breaking of social taboos is necessarily evil.

But that shows evil is relative to time. At the time it would likely be seen as evil, not now.

Or the reverse can happen, something which is now generally seen as not evil, at least by a majority, could be seen as evil in the future. I think this could happen with meat eating.

These things are socially determined. If there is an overwhelming pressure to regard something as evil, most people go along with it.

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